[QUOTE=jlisenbe;3828675]You're dithering.[/QOUTE]

The dufus dithers helped along by Slick Mitch who instead of doing his job, defers to the dufus. That's how and why the government workers are in soup lines and can't pay their bills and must work nonetheless. Abject slavery. That's IMMORAL and illegal according to the 13th amendment which forbids involuntary servitude.

Site your source and I will site mine as to the billions they contribute to the US treasury. Of course we can ignore that fact as the right ignores any fact that shows they are wrong,

How can we since repubs use race in institutional ways to target oppressive, suppressive, policy at minorities women and children. Just look at the make up of the conservative repub base, and look at the liberal dem base and you might see what I am talking about. You already know but are in deep denial that we hate racist policies, and conservatives NEED racists.

Has tRump stated his compromise position? (Psssst, he doesn't have one.)

No, they don't. Do some research. They do all those dirty jobs whites refuse to do. Visit nursing homes and see who's washing the floors and residents' butts and befouled bedding. Talk with roofing and construction contractors who hire illegals on the cheap to do the scut (meaning menial) labor. Ask tRump whom he hired to do the crappy jobs when he built his towers and also ask him how many illegals work at Mar-a-Lago. And those illegals who don't have SS#s do pay taxes on goods and services.

The r in Republican is for "racist."

What was very upsetting was that, because of the dictated federal "furlough," tRump had no kitchen staff to prepare dinner for the Clemson Tigers, but was reduced to feeding them stone-cold burgers and fries. *shudder*

Psssst. Yes, he does have one and he has stated it. He was on television just last Saturday doing so. Gosh you dems must sleep a lot. Now you might not like his proposal, but neither you nor the dems have the gumption to come up with an alternative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tnCWsuR6u0

Just another example of the unthinking, careless, and vindictive use of the term "racist" which is why it is rapidly becoming a word with no real meaning. It is about on the level of me trying to say the d in democrat stands for "dumb". Of course considering Warren, Ocasio-Cortez, and Sanders, there might at least be a little validity in the statement, but it would still end up being as outrageous as yours.

Why is it that you don't have the courage to add, "or that blacks refuse to do". Is that some self loathing at work, or some subtle racism? Why do you only zero in on whites? BTW, I know MANY white, black, and otherwise who do janitorial work, yard care, construction work, painting, and any number of low paying jobs. Having to compete with illegals drives down wages in those jobs. Where do you get your data?

The truth about illegals and taxes. https://www.justfactsdaily.com/illeg...-income-taxes/

Offering to give back a crumb of what he took away is compromise????

I'm a Republican and have been listening to fellow Republicans for over 50 years. I LIVE with one, am related to Republicans biologically and thru marriage. I know what I'm talking about when I say they are suspicious of and don't like anyone who isn't white.

Far ahead of any proposal I have heard from you or the dems, which is nothing. That's why I asked you earlier what you would accept. You dithered. (Yes, I like that word.)

If you are a repub, then by your own statement you are a racist. Don't you find that strange?

As to the people you know, I live in Mississippi, and I don't know those people. I do know some black individuals who don't like whites, but not so much the other way around, and it is not epidemic in either group.

Pelosi and the dems have already hit the ground running sine January 3rd to open up the government, and relieve the suffering of works that the feckless repubs have allowed the dufus to do. Slick Mitch McConnel is the one who needs to show gumption and do his job.

See my posts above.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...llion-annuall/

OK. What compromise have they proposed? What are the specifics?

1. Be specific. What institutional ways are used to target minorities, women, and children? Are you referring to affirmative action, or AFDC, or the many welfare programs that positively target children, or free public education? Be specific.
2. What do you mean when you say, "Look at the makeup of the conservative repub base"? Are you suggesting that white people are inherently racist? And if you are, then please explain how you are not engaging in the racism you say you detest. If that is not what you meant, then what did you mean?

1. That's it?? Some states have voter ID. You have to have ID to do a lot of things. In Mississippi, there are a number of sources of voter ID cards, not just the DMV. That just won't fly. And the one example in the Dakotas. That's it? That's your proof of systematic racism? That's about the same as saying it does not exist at all.

2. Then why did you feel compelled to use "the makeup of the conservative repub base" as proof of racism in the republican party?

I've posted it here more than once: use the money to assign more well-trained immigration agents and, of course, use technology to keep the border secure.

I've never bothered to change my party registration. This way I can vote on a Republican primary ballot and choose candidates who are worthy (not racist), then vote for candidates of either party during the general election.

I was born in NC in the mid '40s and lived there for my first ten years. Thankfully, my minister father (from the Chicago suburbs) and mother (from south-central Idaho) had never learned to be racists, so I and my siblings were never taught to be racists either.

No it's not and you know I could have written a lot more but Geez, it's a matter of history. Okay since you asked so NICELY!

https://www.thoughtco.com/examples-o...he-u-s-2834624

https://www.bustle.com/p/this-is-pro...-problem-43610

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...ur-way-of-life

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/institu...-says-rep-lee/

https://diverseeducation.com/article/64583/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Feagin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jim_Crow

Let me know when you get through these as my archives on the subject is quite extensive and I hope informative and enlightening.

I will let you consider that for yourself. It didn't take a lot of compelling to state the obvious.

The first article is a joke including slavery (been gone for 150 years) and problems in World War 2. The second one seems to make sense until you consider how much it might apply to a law-abiding black man and that would be none.

The problem I have with these discussions of institutional racism is that it deflects the conversation away from where it needs to be. What is the greatest problem in the black community? Very simple. The out of wedlock birth rate is over 70% which, just by itself, is devastating. A young black man is seven times more likely to commit murder than a young white man, and many times more likely to be the victim of a homicide (almost always at the hands of another young black man). The educational status of black children lags far behind the rest of the population, and that is especially true for males. Many black children are trapped in low-performing schools. The incarceration rate for black men is abysmally high because the crime rates are abysmally high. There is no law to fix these things. They are many times more the enemy of the black population than is institutional racism, yet they do not get talked about. Why? Because it would require major changes in the behavior of black people, and it is always much easier to talk about someone else changing than to talk about me (for instance) changing. Who is leading the charge against out of wedlock births and in favor of stable families? Who is? On the national stage, the answer is no one. What a tragedy.

Is there institutional racism? No doubt there is still some, but compared to the problems listed above they are not worth talking about. You want to see any population group make progress? Honor the family, honor education, and commit to working hard. It is practically a miracle to see the results that can bring.

And as I replied then, that is not a compromise, it is simply a position. "Take it or leave it," is not a compromise. What Trump proposed is at least the beginning of a compromise.

You are a repub. You said repubs are racists. Again, wouldn't that make you a racist? And if not, then your statement would be invalid. We both know it is anyway. It is just another inaccurate use of the term that is rendering it nearly meaningless.

So what are we (white people) doing to help improve the situation?

I guess that's how we are different. I don't see the world by color. I don't get up in the morning and think, "What should I do to help xxxx class of people?" I try to be fair to people and generous when it is needed. What color they are doesn't matter. What color I am doesn't matter. I certainly don't always get it right, but I try not to pay attention to color. Pretty much have to in this thread since it is, for now, about institutional racism, but generally I just don't concern myself with it.

Your entire screed was on what's wrong with the black community. I just jumped off that.

I agree, we're all in this together. How can I help my neighbor? (Hmmmm, I think I read that question in some book....)

Fair point. As I said, I was responding to institutional racism. Of course many of the problems I cited afflict the country as a whole and not just the black community, but that is where the conversation was.

At the risk of being called racist, you have noted the high crime rate, etc, among the black population, but such statistics are not confined to the american black population, they are observed among black populations of various ethnicity in various places where they are a minority population. So, two observations; perhaps the eminent researcher who concluded that black persons are not as smart might be right, it might be genetic. Two; the victim mentality and the poverty trap. These people see themselves as victims and dispossessed, therefore their problems are always the fault of someoneelse not themselves, not their lifestyle, and not their responses

Follow your leader!

I don't see it as racial, but it is likely true that when people are allowed, or even encouraged, to see themselves as victims, then their problems automatically become the fault of others. That's why I hate seeing this emphasis on institutional racism. It makes a big deal out of a small deal.