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    Jun 13, 2018, 04:41 AM
    Colludin' Donald Does It Again - What A Week!!
    In Singapore, and like Chamberlain, colludin' Donald waved a piece of paper and bragged "peace in our time". He gave away the store and got nothing in return. Some deal! Some negotiator!

    The US Forces rotate yearly and the military exercises are necessary to keep them combat ready in the face of the madman across the DMZ. Trump canceled them. He didn't even notify his own troops he was doing this!

    The World Bank declares the US has a trade SURPLUS with Canada! Trump, in his desire to destroy the Western Alliance, cannot, or will not, read a simple chart proving this. His trade lies are payback to Putin and the Russians for giving him the US presidency.

    Soon the sanctions against Russia will be eased like the sanctions against the Chinese telecomm firm ZTE. These sanctions against ZTE, Trump whined, are hurting jobs in China. Yes, China, while his tariff attacks against US allies will soon be eliminating jobs in the US!

    Meanwhile, the Republicans do absolutely NOTHING to stop this out-of-control nutcase from ruining America. As a former Republican, I am outraged at the treasonous behavior of this once great party.
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    Jun 13, 2018, 05:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    In Singapore, and like Chamberlain, colludin' Donald waved a piece of paper and bragged "peace in our time". He gave away the store and got nothing in return. Some deal! Some negotiator!

    The US Forces rotate yearly and the military exercises are necessary to keep them combat ready in the face of the madman across the DMZ. Trump canceled them. He didn't even notify his own troops he was doing this!

    The World Bank declares the US has a trade SURPLUS with Canada! Trump, in his desire to destroy the Western Alliance, cannot, or will not, read a simple chart proving this. His trade lies are payback to Putin and the Russians for giving him the US presidency.

    Soon the sanctions against Russia will be eased like the sanctions against the Chinese telecomm firm ZTE. These sanctions against ZTE, Trump whined, are hurting jobs in China. Yes, China, while his tariff attacks against US allies will soon be eliminating jobs in the US!

    Meanwhile, the Republicans do absolutely NOTHING to stop this out-of-control nutcase from ruining America. As a former Republican, I am outraged at the treasonous behavior of this once great party.
    Let me see here, you are outraged that someone should talk peace with North Korea. North Korea and Kim is not Hitler. Kim knows he can't conquer the world, Xi told him so, not the Donald. Yes, this might be an empty deal but no more empty than the deal with Iran, and as far as ZTE is concerned, they make great phones, not like that IPhone expensive crap.

    It is time we stopped this sanction crap, which is another name for trade war and realised that Kim did what he did to get the world's attention, which makes him smarter than some.

    You are right that Trump has no idea on trade, but he is a recalcicant reversonist, so he doesn't need to. Trump was elected because he had a big mouth this means he fits right in
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    Jun 13, 2018, 09:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    North Korea and Kim is not Hitler.
    Of course, he is. The difference is one of degree, not kind.

    ...but no more empty than the deal with Iran
    The deal with Iran STOPPED nuclear proliferation!

    ...and as far as ZTE is concerned
    They broke the law and admitted it.

    It is time we stopped this sanction crap
    The sanctions were there to stop Kim's gross violation of human rights.

    and realised that Kim did what he did to get the world's attention, which makes him smarter than some.
    You're correct on this one. Sure as hell he's smarter than Trump.

    You are right that Trump has no idea on trade, but he is a recalcicant reversonist, so he doesn't need to. Trump was elected because he had a big mouth this means he fits right in
    You give him too much credit. Colludin' Donald is simply a goofball with scrambled eggs for a brain.
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    Jun 13, 2018, 09:45 AM
    I do not disagree with much of this posting . I do agree with him that the war games are overdone . Our troops can rotate in zones without saber rattling ,which is what these games really are intended for . But besides that ,by reversing the process and having a summit before the hard negotiations have even begun, he raised expectations. Mr 'art of the deal' gave concessions and got nothing in return but another Kim empty promise . He even went so far as to parrot that line of carp the dictator uses about being loved by the people.
    His performance at G7 was embarrassing . When the BS about national security is stripped away he had a hissy fit over the price of dairy . As noted ,the Canadians have fewer tariffs than the US .

    His misdirection about the EU paying it's fair share of it's defense is a fair point . But ultimately it is an irrelevant point when talking trade . Tariffs on imports hurts American consumers . The costs are always passed along. Trade wars costs jobs. There are plenty American jobs that depend on the costs of imports.American agriculture needs foreign markets. His trade stance will weaken the benefits of the tax cuts . Any conservative who approves of this is not thinking it through . Now that the phony national security argument has been exposed . It is time for the Congress to stop these unilateral trade moves by Trump . The Constitution gives Congress regulating authority on trade .
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    Jun 13, 2018, 09:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    i do not disagree with much of this posting . I do agree with him that the war games are overdone . Our troops can rotate in zones without saber rattling ,which is what these games really are intended for . But besides that ,by reversing the process and having a summit before the hard negotiations have even begun, he raised expectations. Mr 'art of the deal' gave concessions and got nothing in return but another kim empty promise . He even went so far as to parrot that line of carp the dictator uses about being loved by the people.
    His performance at g7 was embarrassing . When the bs about national security is stripped away he had a hissy fit over the price of dairy . As noted ,the canadians have fewer tariffs than the us .

    His misdirection about the eu paying it's fair share of it's defense is a fair point . But ultimately it is an irrelevant point when talking trade . Tariffs on imports hurts american consumers . The costs are always passed along. Trade wars costs jobs. There are plenty american jobs that depend on the costs of imports.american agriculture needs foreign markets. His trade stance will weaken the benefits of the tax cuts . Any conservative who approves of this is not thinking it through . Now that the phony national security argument has been exposed . It is time for the congress to stop these unilateral trade moves by trump . The constitution gives congress regulating authority on trade .
    Yeah what he said!
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    Jun 13, 2018, 10:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Let me see here, you are outraged that someone should talk peace with North Korea. North Korea and Kim is not Hitler. Kim knows he can't conquer the world, Xi told him so, not the Donald. Yes, this might be an empty deal but no more empty than the deal with Iran, and as far as ZTE is concerned, they make great phones, not like that IPhone expensive crap.
    NK is also a huge cyber threat that no one has mentioned, and ZTE not only broke the law, they were capable of tracking troop movements of American soldiers and identifying operational bases around the world. And they gave The Dufus half a billion bucks to look the other way.

    It is time we stopped this sanction crap, which is another name for trade war and realised that Kim did what he did to get the world's attention, which makes him smarter than some.
    What? You mean after he and his peeps starved and imprison their own population to get NUKES? Maybe you should Google that so you won't have to make stuff up.

    You are right that Trump has no idea on trade, but he is a recalcicant reversonist, so he doesn't need to. Trump was elected because he had a big mouth this means he fits right in
    Trump is a lying cheating money grubbing big mouth bully and a DUFUS to boot. Of course he likes dictators and want to be one.
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    Jun 13, 2018, 03:43 PM
    I've said it before NK is the mouse that roared and when it did the US trembled.

    Whatever they do in their own land you might not like and even abhor but the way forward isn't to make the situation worse. Perhaps that has been realised. It is time to end the cold war. You devastated Germany and Japan and look at them now, with your help they recovered. You devastated NK and left them to it and you look over the fence and criticise. Korea is like Afghanistan, a different place that you don't understand
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    Jun 13, 2018, 09:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I've said it before NK is the mouse that roared and when it did the US trembled.
    The US didn't tremble, Trump trembled. Don't ever confuse the two. Colludin' Donald is a temporary aberration who will soon be gone, sooner than most realize. Then watch him REALLY tremble!


    You devastated Germany and Japan and look at them now, with your help they recovered. You devastated NK and left them to it ...
    Germany and Japan were defeated. NK was not defeated. An armistice ended the fighting, not surrender. Big difference.
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    Jun 14, 2018, 05:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    I've said it before NK is the mouse that roared and when it did the US trembled.

    Whatever they do in their own land you might not like and even abhor but the way forward isn't to make the situation worse. Perhaps that has been realised. It is time to end the cold war. You devastated Germany and Japan and look at them now, with your help they recovered. You devastated NK and left them to it and you look over the fence and criticise. Korea is like Afghanistan, a different place that you don't understand
    I respectfully disagree Clete, but the only way to get rid of dictators is to make the situation worse, much worse, leaving them no choice but flight or fight. OR Talk! Hitler chose fight, Saddam chose flight, along with Khadhafi and they are all dead. Kim choses to talk, albeit with a Dufus want to be dictator, and we will see where that goes. That has just begun.

    You should know by now the US military can adapt to any land, any people, any force. Despite recent events we also have many friends. The Mad King Dufus and his chaos will be brought to order. Where you get it completely wrong is blaming us for the condition of NK when obviously it's neighbors China and Russia have the most influence over Kim and his nation, and always have. If you think they have not nurtured this idiot then I have a nice pond to sell you in the Australian outback.
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    Jun 14, 2018, 03:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    I respectfully disagree Clete, but the only way to get rid of dictators is to make the situation worse, much worse, leaving them no choice but flight or fight. OR Talk! Hitler chose fight, Saddam chose flight, along with Khadhafi and they are all dead. Kim choses to talk, albeit with a Dufus want to be dictator, and we will see where that goes. That has just begun.

    You should know by now the US military can adapt to any land, any people, any force. Despite recent events we also have many friends. The Mad King Dufus and his chaos will be brought to order. Where you get it completely wrong is blaming us for the condition of NK when obviously it's neighbors China and Russia have the most influence over Kim and his nation, and always have. If you think they have not nurtured this idiot then I have a nice pond to sell you in the Australian outback.
    Yes they nurtured NK to be a thorn in America's side and it worked and administration after administration have taken the bait. That pond in the outback is called Lake Eyre and in a good year it is full of pelicans something like that little riverside town over your way. You see the lesson isn't lost on Kim. He has no oil to boost his treasury. Your military should adapt to the US southern border, that is where it is really needed and forget Korea. Tokenism doesn't take you very far
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    Jun 14, 2018, 04:13 PM
    The immigrants aren't the problem, it's human nature to flee in terror from disasters and seek safety. The real issue to be addressed is what they are flee from. As an immigrant yourself looking for better you should understand that. Nope instead YOU and my own fellow immigrants have forgotten what they themselves were running from and got HERE (Or there in your specific case. The sad part is they have forgotten, so they start acting like the ones they were running from with their hi fallootin' a$$es!

    I guess you can take the immigrant out of suppression, but you can't take the suppression out of the immigrant. Trump and Sessions still stink of it!

    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes they nurtured NK to be a thorn in America's side and it worked and administration after administration have taken the bait. That pond in the outback is called Lake Eyre and in a good year it is full of pelicans something like that little riverside town over your way. You see the lesson isn't lost on Kim. He has no oil to boost his treasury. Your military should adapt to the US southern border, that is where it is really needed and forget Korea. Tokenism doesn't take you very far
    Save your analysis for the loonies who eat that stuff up!
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    Jun 14, 2018, 05:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    The immigrants aren't the problem, it's human nature to flee in terror from disasters and seek safety. The real issue to be addressed is what they are flee from. As an immigrant yourself looking for better you should understand that. Nope instead YOU and my own fellow immigrants have forgotten what they themselves were running from and got HERE (Or there in your specific case. The sad part is they have forgotten, so they start acting like the ones they were running from with their hi fallootin' a$$es!

    I guess you can take the immigrant out of suppression, but you can't take the suppression out of the immigrant. Trump and Sessions still stink of it!



    Save your analysis for the loonies who eat that stuff up!
    Just to correct the record I am not an immigrant as as far as I know my ancestors were adventurist enough to see opportunity.

    The loonies from what I see live in a place where they think they rule the world. You won't rule long if you allow your country to be taken over by a mob who couldn't get it together in their own land. You clearly haven't thought this through. If you have immigration it should be selective and contribute more than cheap labour
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    Jun 14, 2018, 06:08 PM
    Despite your word salad your peeps migrated from the HOMELAND and that's enough to be an immigrant. Just saying. I find it amusing you would tell a land of immigrants how we should treat immigrants though since the loonies took over they echo your sentiments of selectivity and contribute more than cheap labor, but that's where everybody here started. Now 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants are an entirely different story as their contributions have greatly added to the population as a whole no matter their home origins or reasons for migrations.

    That's how you can tell our loonies as they tend to want to stop stirring the pot or add more ingredients to make a better NATION. They also run in little circle claiming the sky is falling or some other nonsense.

    Look up Nixon/s Southern Strategy and get some insights why you shouldn't dismiss what the Dufus is preaching to his choir.
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    Jun 15, 2018, 03:06 PM
    By your definition Tal everyone is an immigrant, it is a question of which wave you came in. The question is always what do they add other than consumption. If all they do is swell the population of the cities this is not good
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    Jun 16, 2018, 05:42 AM
    You're starting to catch on Clete. Maybe the first generation doesn't contribute, but over time they do, as they get acclimated. Not fast enough, or good enough for some, and changes bring there own challenges, but humans have been spreading across the earth for whatever reason since they found out they could walk, and breeding is what we all do. Some breed more than others. It's inevitable no matter the puny efforts to stop it.
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    Jun 17, 2018, 04:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    You're starting to catch on Clete. Maybe the first generation doesn't contribute, but over time they do, as they get acclimated. Not fast enough, or good enough for some, and changes bring there own challenges, but humans have been spreading across the earth for whatever reason since they found out they could walk, and breeding is what we all do. Some breed more than others. It's inevitable no matter the puny efforts to stop it.
    There are ways of stopping it, Tal, but we have become too good at circumventing nature. Twice in the last two thousand years nature culled the population as well as a number of other occasions where epidemics had consequences. We have the means now to stop the need for migration and we should use them. We could start by preventing unnecessary wars and withdrawing from those that exist

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