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    May 28, 2011, 01:14 PM
    BIG BANG?
    I know I'm a christian and I believe that g-d made the world but I imagain as if the world itself made is self if so HOw did it make it self? Why? Whatever for?
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    May 28, 2011, 01:21 PM

    What? Why is this posted under Astronomy?
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    May 28, 2011, 02:17 PM

    Christians believe God made the world. He may have used evolution or He may have used the Big Bang idea or He may have made the world some other way. Some Christians believe He made the world around 6,000-7,000 years ago; others believe it happened millions and billions of years ago.

    Now, why did God create the world?
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    May 28, 2011, 02:26 PM

    God made it, he spoke and it came into existence.

    How he had it made only he knows
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    May 28, 2011, 05:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by laura10109 View Post
    I know im a christian and i belive that g-d made the world but i imagain as if the world itself made is self if so HOw did it make it self? why? whatever for?

    Hi Laura

    It is probably worth keeping in mind that the Big Bang is now only one of a number of competing theories for the beginning of the universe. These other theories incorporate what might be termed, 'Big Bang like events'.

    Science is very good at telling us how the universe evolved into stars, galaxies and planets. However, science does not investigate what might be termed, 'first cause arguments'. Your statement seems to confuse first cause and function. We need to keep these explanations apart when doing science.

    Tut
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    May 28, 2011, 09:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    God made it, he spoke and it came into existence.

    How he had it made only he knows
    Hardly factual.

    It wouldn't let me give you a not-helpful (which this comment deserves) under the rules, so this will have to do.
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    May 31, 2011, 07:08 AM

    Laura:

    You asked: How did the world make itself? I think Tut's answer is a good start. The mechanism of star and planet formation is a very actrive area of study by astronomers and physicists. If you're interested in details regarding current theories, post back and I can point you to some good resources on the web.

    You also asked: "why? whatever for?" That is not a question for scientists. We can only talk about "what"; in science there is no "why."
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    May 31, 2011, 07:22 AM
    Why is this in Astronomy??
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    May 31, 2011, 10:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Why is this in Astronomy???

    Thanks for repeating my post in case anyone missed it.
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    May 31, 2011, 10:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    Thanks for repeating my post in case anyone missed it.
    They have missed it, it hasn't been moved. :confused:
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    May 31, 2011, 10:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Why is this in Astronomy???
    I reported it last night. *sigh*
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    May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I reported it last night. *sigh*

    And I reported it the same day it was posted. Was that yesterday? The days are flashing by.
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    May 31, 2011, 12:32 PM

    I don't see what the problem is - the OP asked how the earth came to be, which is a perfectly valid question to ask in a science forum. The only problem is that some of the responses (Wondergirl, Fr_Chuck) were not appropriate as answers in a science forum.
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    May 31, 2011, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ebaines View Post
    I don't see what the problem is - the OP asked how the earth came to be, which is a perfectly valid question to ask in a science forum.
    The problem is, it is not a question about stars; it is a question about how the world began. There are more appropriate science categories for that question -- and, since she mentioned God, it might fit well in Christianity.
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    May 31, 2011, 12:42 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The problem is, it is not a question about stars; it is a question about how the world began. There are more appropriate science categories for that question -- and, since she mentioned God, it might fit well in Christianity.
    I'm sure many questions can fit into more than one category, but a question about the Big Bang certainly fits into astronomy.
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    May 31, 2011, 12:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    The problem is, it is not a question about stars; it is a question about how the world began. There are more appropriate science categories for that question
    The OP asked about the earth (although the title was "Big Bang"). The only other category that is close would be geology. There is no "earth science" forum here. So I don't see any more approriate science forum than astronomy - it's a branch of science that encompasses cosmology (including the Big Bang) and planetary science (including the study of planet formation mechanisms, for the earth and other planets).

    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    -- and, since she mentioned God, it might fit well in Christianity.
    I interpreted her post as being along the lines of "I believe that God created the world, but I'm asking in a science forum if you leave God out (the world made itself, in her words) then how was the earth created." I find that perfectly OK.
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    May 31, 2011, 01:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by ebaines View Post
    The OP asked about the earth (although the title was "Big Bang"). The only other category that is close would be geology.
    Since the OP is only ten years old, I thought Science for Children would be a good board for this question.
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    May 31, 2011, 03:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    I'm sure many questions can fit into more than one category, but a question about the Big Bang certainly fits into astronomy.
    It is a cosmological question, or a type of cosmology. As there is no cosmology section I guess astronomy is probably a good starting point. Philosophy would be another.

    Cosmological questions about the nature of the universe have in the past attempted to include metaphysical explanations. Today, metaphysical explanations tend to to put to one side by cosmologists because of more attractive theories when it comes to the origins of the universe, e.g. String Theory.

    Tut

    P.S. How does one explain cosmology to a 10 year old?
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    May 31, 2011, 04:56 PM

    She didn't ask about the Big Bang theory or any other theory. I think that concept is beyond a 10-year old.

    She asked if the World made itself, how and why. The Big Bang explanation came later.
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    May 31, 2011, 09:49 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JudyKayTee View Post
    She didn't ask about the Big Bang theory or any other theory. I think that concept is beyond a 10-year old.

    She asked if the World made itself, how and why. The Big Bang explanation came later.

    Unfortunately, if one is asking for a scientific explanation then this necessarily involves some type of theoretical explanation.

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