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windowslive15 · Nov 25, 2009, 10:59 AM

What's the possibility of getting jail time for fraud at $4000 for first time offense?
Is it still a first time offense if you're charged with multiple counts?
If there is jail time, how much would bail cost for fraud at 4000.
Is there bail for over 5000?

windowslive15 · Nov 25, 2009, 11:20 AM

Sorry I misunderstood the meaning of bail.

I mean to ask: Can you pay money instead of serving jail time? Or are there alternative routes so that you don't have to serve jail time?

excon · Nov 26, 2009, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by windowslive15

Sorry i misunderstood the meaning of bail.

I mean to ask: Can you pay money instead of serving jail time? Or are there alternative routes so that you don't have to serve jail time?

Hello w:

In my city, you can exchange 30 days in jail for 240 hours of community service.

excon

windowslive15 · Nov 26, 2009, 09:20 AM

Thanks excon, but I doubt the sentence would be 30 days more like 6 months. So can I exchange that for community service plus donations and other services?

I don't see why you would have to serve jail time for a crime that's not physically hurting anyone

excon · Nov 26, 2009, 09:26 AM

Hello again, w:

Nope. 30 days is the max you can trade...

Chances, are though, with a good attorney, you won't do ANY jail time.

By the way, stealing DOES hurt people. I know, it LOOKS like you cheated some impersonal corporation... But, the corporation is owned by people like you and me, and you ripped them off.

Now, smoking POT is a true victimless crime.

excon

Fr_Chuck · Nov 26, 2009, 07:40 PM

Ok, am I the only one to see the humor of this, he committed fraud and wants to pay money ( that is what he got doing the fraud) to pay instead of serving time.

Also may depend on how many counts, one or two courts or 100 counts will make the big difference.

windowslive15 · Nov 27, 2009, 07:31 PM

So with a good lawyer I can avoid jail time for fraud over 5000?

Fr_Chuck · Nov 27, 2009, 07:36 PM

Well that just depends, what is the evidence they have, if they have proof you did it, beyond a doubt on several counts, you are not going to get off if all of the evidence gets in.

And then it depends does the DA want to deal, is the DA office having budge issues, or do you get a new DA that wants to make a name for thierself,
Or perhaps is it election time for a DA who is going to brag about getting tough on crime and you are the case he is going to prove it on.

So a good attoreny will try and get evidencd thrown out, they will try and then file motions to try and mess up the DA office, challenging varoius witness or even challenging the way evidence was collected or results of tests.
Now all of that is going to cost money, fiighting a serious case can run into the 10's of thousands of dollars.

But if they have good solid evidence, and the DA does not want to deal and you get a hard judge, a good lawyer is still a good attorney but you can't get off if they have you solid dead to right on the crime

windowslive15 · Nov 28, 2009, 09:52 AM

I heard that because the cost to investigate these type of cases is too expensive they don't bother looking into them. Is that true

excon · Nov 28, 2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by windowslive15

i heard that because the cost to investigate these type of cases is too expensive they don't bother looking into them. Is that true

Hello again, w:

If you listen long enough, you can hear anything...

No, it's not true. The cops LOVE to put people in jail. They don't care about saving money... They LOVE to convict them and put them in prison, too. Otherwise, how do you think we became the worlds LARGEST jailer? We didn't do it by scrimping on investigations, I can tell you that...

Get a lawyer. Or you can trust what you heard on the street.

excon

windowslive15 · Nov 30, 2009, 07:00 PM

What are the chances of getting parole or probation? And when?

JudyKayTee · Dec 1, 2009, 08:08 AM

We're all volunteers here - please give us some time to answer you before you post again.

This is impossible to say without knowing what State, your age, the total amount of the "fraud," your past record.

excon · Dec 1, 2009, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by windowslive15

what are the chances of getting parole or probation? and when?

Hello again, w:

Couple things... You want absolute answers. There are none. Even if there WAS a book where we could look these things up, it wouldn't tell us if the judge has heartburn that day. It wouldn't tell us how angry the bank is, or how much community support you have. It wouldn't tell us the jillions of things that go into sentencing..

So, there IS NO answer to your questions... There is only what you can DO about it NOW. Having said, what I said above, you should get that what is going to happen to you is NOT WRITTEN IN STONE... It CAN be effected by what you DO today.

Your questions, as I indicated before, are BEST answered by your own attorney who HAS the benefit of knowing ALL those details that we don't. Plus, you'll have the added benefit of having him REPRESENT you in court.

So, instead of asking the same stuff over and over again, get on the phone and HIRE a lawyer. That is what's to do. It's the ONLY thing to do.

excon