Ask Experts Questions for FREE Help !
Ask
    kckranz's Avatar
    kckranz Posts: 4, Reputation: 1
    New Member
     
    #1

    Mar 13, 2007, 05:23 PM
    13HP MTD Yard Machines Rider Won't Start
    I would like your advice as to the next step I should take to get this mower going. It's a MTD 600 series rider from 2001 with a 13 HP Briggs (28T700). This machine ran a month ago but now it won't. The starter will engage the engine and it will "run" while the starter is engaged, but the engine will not run "on its own", without the starter turning it. It seems to completely cycle as the starter turns it. I have:

    1. Put in clean fuel
    2. Checked for spark (there is one)
    3. Changed starter switch
    4. Replaced ignition coil
    5. Tried to jump from car
    6. Cleaned all electrical connections
    7. Removed carb and cleaned it with carb cleaner (didn'e notice any water or anything)
    8. Tried using starter fluid in the carb
    9. Replaced the air filter
    10. Checked and replaced the fuse
    11. Replaced the fuel filter
    12. Oil level is OK (I use synthetic 10W30)

    Halfway into last season I went berzerk chasing a faulty safety switch. As a result, I removed all safety switches and completely rewired the machine. The machine ran fine the following 10 times or so I ran it. I'm not sure I cleaned the carb good enough or not. Is there a good online resource about cleaning it correctly? The float seemed fine and the choke and throttle, too. I don't know what else to check or clean on the carb. Any ideas? It might be worth mentioning that the last time I successfully started it was in January when it was very cold (for NC), about 35 degrees F. I let it run for 10 minutes or so just to move the oil around and charge the battery.
    newaukumdon's Avatar
    newaukumdon Posts: 525, Reputation: 44
    Senior Member
     
    #2

    Mar 13, 2007, 07:41 PM
    When you say it will "run" in the crank mode do you mean it actually runs and when you release the key it dies? If so you may have a miswired ignition switch but the fqact it ran after you wired doesn't make sense. You have done a lot of chasing why the work performed? Is there a reason you replaced ignition coil and the rest or just hoping it woud start.

    More info would be helpful, If you IM me with your phone# maybe I could understand better what is going on.
    Don
    bikerguy's Avatar
    bikerguy Posts: 87, Reputation: 13
    Junior Member
     
    #3

    Mar 13, 2007, 08:15 PM
    You need 3 things for a controlled explosion, my father always told me when I could not get something started.
    Fuel,Compression,spark. What he was saying is that a spark at the right time will explode, when you spray starter fluid in does it pop at all. You may have a stuck valve. Did you check compression. I highly doubt that the timing jumped..
    kckranz's Avatar
    kckranz Posts: 4, Reputation: 1
    New Member
     
    #4

    Mar 13, 2007, 08:31 PM
    No I haven't checked for proper compression. But I will... I'll let you all know what happens. Thanks!
    kckranz's Avatar
    kckranz Posts: 4, Reputation: 1
    New Member
     
    #5

    Mar 14, 2007, 06:07 PM
    I checked and the motor does seem to have compression, at least it is reflected in the simple "finger over the spark plug hole test." I will open the motor another time to take a look at the valves. Any other thoughts? I notice today that the needle for the ammeter does not move when I try to start the engine. What wiring problem could allow the starter to engage and generate a spark without completely starting the engine? In a normal successful startup, what happens to make the motor continue without the starter, i.e. when you let go of the key and the motor runs? Maybe the answer to that can help.
    bikerguy's Avatar
    bikerguy Posts: 87, Reputation: 13
    Junior Member
     
    #6

    Mar 14, 2007, 08:22 PM
    The finger test already tells you the valve are closing enough not stuck open, Yes you need to have a constant voltage feed to keep it running that's why the always have a run position and a start on any ignition switch. You implied it doesn't pop at all?

    So it really is running with the switch in the start position like your first post??

    Do you have a standard coil with points or what's can you send me a wiring diagram sound like you lost the feed to the coil..
    newaukumdon's Avatar
    newaukumdon Posts: 525, Reputation: 44
    Senior Member
     
    #7

    Mar 14, 2007, 08:41 PM
    No voltage required to run,Works off a magneto and has an electrinic ignition. The key in the run position opens a circuit to ground. If the engine is trying to start when it spins and seems like if it would spin faster would start, you may have compression problem.

    Very rarely do we have compression issues on newer machines unless there is a valve or rocker problem. Is this an over head valve engine? If so try checking the clearance should be around 2-3 thousands on intake and 4-6 on exhaust.

    Don
    kckranz's Avatar
    kckranz Posts: 4, Reputation: 1
    New Member
     
    #8

    Mar 20, 2007, 06:01 PM
    All,

    It turns out that the flywheel key had sheared, misaligning the magnet on the flywheel, creating an incorrectly timed firing sequence. Hopefully this might help others because this would have been a $.50 fix had I conducted a more thorough preliminary examination.

    Me
    newaukumdon's Avatar
    newaukumdon Posts: 525, Reputation: 44
    Senior Member
     
    #9

    Mar 20, 2007, 06:27 PM
    Flywheel key on a rider is rare, usually caused from a loose pulley on the engine driving the blades and transmission. On a walk behind it is much more common from hitting something and no belt to cushion the blow.

    Check the bolt holding pulley on, sheared key is a sympton of another problem?

    Congrats,
    Don
    Matt3046's Avatar
    Matt3046 Posts: 831, Reputation: 128
    Senior Member
     
    #10

    Mar 24, 2007, 10:43 PM
    Well I can tell you this, you are using the wrong kind of oil. All brigs engines are designed to run off single viscosity 30 weight oil, definitely not synthetic.

Not your question? Ask your question View similar questions

 

Question Tools Search this Question
Search this Question:

Advanced Search

Add your answer here.


Check out some similar questions!

Craftsman rider won't start [ 8 Answers ]

Late '80's vintage 18HP, 44" rider. Been running like a champ until recently. Started running very rough a couple of weeks ago. Had to choke all the way to keep in running. Decided to start with new spark plugs to rectify. Now I don't get any spark. Turns over just fine. Amp meter on dash...

Mtd yard machine [ 2 Answers ]

My MTD 14.5 hp yard machine has been hard to start for a while. Turn the key and back off several times before it will start.. I replaced the ignition switch and the solenoid and now it does not even make a sound. What else could it be.

Yard Machines 2800m string trimmer [ 23 Answers ]

I have a brand new trimmer and when I get it started it will only run on half choke.When I put it on 3 which is the full run setting,it just dies out when I pull the gas lever.I have fresh gas and oil mix that is properly mixed.It will run fine on half choke but when I set it to full run it dies...

Yard Machines Electrical Arcing question for the pros [ 4 Answers ]

I have 3 MTD Yard Machines That do not run properly. They are all from about 1997-2000. I bought one new, inherited one from my inlaws, and one from my father's neighbor. They all act like lemons and they all have similar issues, so I will Ask About mine first as I know the most. Tractor: MTD...

Older MTD Rider Won't Start [ 5 Answers ]

I have an older MTD rider with a 12 hp B & S it was serviced at the end of last season and worked fine up till now. The mower started to crank then just stopped. It would only click when turning the key. I tried to jump but no go. I took the battery to be tested it was low but good so they charged...


View more questions Search