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Ok i already know the answer to this one becuase i am gay. I just want to see what others think. There is no way that being gay is a choice. I would have never chosen this for myself. I would have wanted to fit in and be like everyone else. That is what all kids want. I am 18 now and have known i was gay since a very early age (like 10). There is no way this is a choice because at this age i knew nothing about sex.....i just knew that i was attracted to boys.
Hope, you really need to think about what you're saying. There is scientific evidence proving sex-linked heritibility in regards to sexual orientation. You "believers" offer answers from a book written thousands of years ago before what we now call homosexuality was even conceived. Based on what you've said, I don't think you should be talking about science in any respect. You demand more information when more is not needed. You know, plate tectonics is just a theory, too, but there is a huge amount of evidence suggesting it is fact.
Also, you mentioned that "god fearing" people don't harm others. What would you call the Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Holocaust? Christians either pursued or approved of all three. What about the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Were they not performed by religious zealots? If you think that the hands of the religious are clean of blood, I doubt your intelligence.
Moving on to your thoughts about education, you really need to think critically about this, not just listen to your church leaders and spew what they have to say. There is no reason to believe that homosexuality is harmful. Every credible psychological, psychiatric and medical organization in America will tell you that. You anti-gay cretins rely on correlational studies to "prove" that homosexuality is harmful, but the first thing you learn in research is "correlation DOES NOT equal causation." Using just correlations, you can say that religion causes murder and conservative politics causes lowered intelligence (the number of churches in a city positively correlates with the murder rate/1000 and conservative thought negatively correlates with intelligence scores). Why should something that is okay not be taught as being okay? By all means, send your kids to private schools or home-school them if you want them to be lied to.
We are not pushing our values on you, we are asking you to quit pushing your values on us. Your god has no place in my life. I don't really care if you think it is wrong, it's a free country, but, once again, you don't have good reason to ask that gays and lesbians refrain from having sex with or marrying the ones they love. Nor do you have sufficient reason to ask that it not be taught as a healthy, normal variation of the human condition. To answer your question about about why people don't condone homosexuality if we are born either homosexual or heterosexual: ignorance! You and your cohorts are so blinded by your pathetic beliefs that you cannot see facts when they are presented. You want evidence, we give you evidence, and then you say the Bible disagrees so we must be wrong. How can you not see how foolish that is?
People like you make me sick.
I am so sorry, my purpose is not to make anyone sick! I am making a statement that is not my personal laws but God's laws. God tells us homosexuality is a sin. Psycologist and other doctors are human as you and I are, we all make mistakes, God does not.
I and those of my religion do not go to war or join in on as you have stated, I quote you:
"Crusades, the Inquisition, or the Holocaust? Christians either pursued or approved of all three. What about the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Were they not performed by religious zealots? If you think that the hands of the religious are clean of blood, I doubt your intelligence."
As a true christian, I do not approve nor would I or anyone in the religion I belong to touch or be involved in anything such as a Crusade or inquistion or holocaust. As to 9/11 that was not any God fearing persons that did such a horrific action. There are those in this world who truly God fearing and if you research this matter you will see that TRUE CHRISTIANS AND THOSE WHO FEAR GOD, do not go to war or join in any political or any kind of actions that would bring harm to another. Remember there are those who claim to be Christians, and they are not true chritians but are refered to as Christendom, because they pretend to serve God but they are proved liars by their actions. These are the ones and the religions that go to war and join in Crusades and inquistions and hurt and kill others.
I do not ask you to do anything. God does though and if you choose not to listen to God's laws, that is your choice. I do not wish to judge you, my only purpose is to inform others of God's laws. If you or anyone else does not choose to obey the creator then so be it. I leave you in peace and there will be no more communication between you and I. I am not here to debate with you or anyone else, but to make sure you know God's law that homosexuality is a sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.. . .
At least you can never say to "God, your creator, you didn't know or no one ever told you.
Have a good day and like I stated, I will not debate this issue with you any further. As to intellegence, you think I am not and that is your right, but this is not about intellegence but obedience to the God of the universe. Time will prove intellegence but most of all our obedience to our Creator.
I am not here to debate with you or anyone else, but to make sure you know God's law that homosexuality is a sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.. . .
Hmmmm...."nor men who lie with men"....well then I guess lesbians are okay then? Women homosexuals are approved by your god?
Just one of the million things wrong in your bible, and thinking.
You have repeatedly stated that you think God is against homosexuality and therefore it must be a choice. This is not a difference of opinion, it is a refusal, on your part, to accept scientific evidence
Are you so dense that you wouldnt realize that God wouldnt be apart of a topic like this? So get over it.
You keep talking about pagan. Do you even know what that means?
Its a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
So why do you say "patchwork of pagan religions"?
And last but not least, Why is OK to talk about gay people,sex and drugs but then when someone talks about Jesus everybody gets on their case? Is the world that messed us? I guess it is.But you know I dont see how thats even right. I may be a "Fanatic" "Bible pusher/thumper" I may even be crazy. But Im proud of it. But one day you will have to stand before God and explain yourself. Untill then I dont care what you do Americangayboy. All i know is that i tried to get through to you. And you are too closed minded to understand.
To everyone else that tries to get through to him:: GOOD LUCK!
Bye.
"Pagan" depends on your definition; sometimes it means non-JudeoChistians, sometimes it means a specific set of polytheistic religions based on nature. Christianity is based on various myths that are pagan in origin. This is why I say "a patchwork of pagan religions."
Because there is no evidence of the existence of any god, I don't think god is relevant to this or almost any other topic. Are you really so dense to think that god exists when there is no evidence for that belief? I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR MAKE-BELIEVE DIETIES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS TOPIC WHEN THERE IS AMPLE EVIDENCE THAT SEXUAL PREFERENCE IS NOT A CHOICE!!!!!!!!!
The reason it is okay to talk about sex and drugs is because they are real and there is evidence suggesting their morality or lack there of. The belief in the existence of a god has as much supporting evidence as the belief that unicorns exist.
If you don't care what I do, good! Shut your hateful mouth and leave me and my friends alone. I pity you for thinking you have a divine purpose. You're wasting your time on a lie.
For someone who is done debating this topic, you sure have a lot to say.
Hope, the Crusades, the Inquisition and the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks were committed by deeply religious people. The Holocaust was approved of by Christians world-wide. I have lost what little respect I had for you. Your refusal to accept facts is sad and gross.
Also, your religious beliefs have no factual basis. I have no obligation to respect a group of people who hate others based on a fictitcious book nor do I have any guilt for not believing your sham of a religion.
I know this is overkill, but I had to respond to fallen's rating of macksmom. If not all of the Bible is literal, how can you say that any of it is literal? Could it be that your religious text is just a book of fables; some right and some wrong?
I know this is overkill, but I had to respond to fallen's rating of macksmom. If not all of the Bible is literal, how can you say that any of it is literal? Could it be that your religious text is just a book of fables; some right and some wrong?
My point exactly...she says it has deeper meaning? But on whos terms? Some peoples "meaning" varies from others...so whos "deeper meaning" understanding of the bible is right?
If not all of it is literal, then none of it is.....as we have been trying to say all along.
There's more to the definition of a word than what's in a dictionary. The English language is nuanced and dynamic.
I'm glad you don't give a crap about what I say; however, I doubt it's true. If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't be responding. Didn't you say you were done with this conversation several posts ago?
Have we debunked all of your assertions or are you going to come back for more? I'll gladly continue talking to you.
Why do you guys insist on preaching on a teen board?? I dont get it. You guys dont preach on the Theft Under 5000 posts. They are committing sin in your eyes. Admit it. You guys are offended by gays. Homophobic! Thats what you are. Youll trot out the old i dont hate the person i hate the sin..... Hahahaha. Forgive me as i wipe the spit off my screen from laughing so hard. Thats what you guys do. You turn religion into a laughing matter when you carry on like this!
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