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Jan 23, 2004, 01:28 AM
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| | | What do you think about 'not judging'? Below is an answer that I got from a non-religionist.
Anyone with any views to it?
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We have been admonished not to judge,
but no one (or verrrry few) today has(have)
seriously considered, let alone practice,
how to "not judge."
All of the negative thoughts, deeds and actions throughout
our entire lifestream, for which we have not taken the
responsibility, are still embedded deep
within our outer consciousness.
How then do we stop judging when the belief system
provides what goes out and the ego interprets
what is reflected back?
What we see in others is being assessed and evaluated
by that which is in our own belief system.
If it were not in our belief system, we would see a
different evaluation.
If we had no hate, anger, prejudice, jealousy, etc. in
the blueprints of our own thoughts, there is no physical
way we could see them in others.
We wouldn't have any standard or base of this nature with
which to compare or judge.
When we see a negative aspect in another person, we can
be assured that it is only the reflection of that which
is in our own consciousness.
If the outer-consciousness has a record of our all past and is
used in judging, assessing and evaluating what we see in
others; and is dictating what is happening in our own life,
how do we break this chain that is binding us to our past?
How do we clear our outer-consciousness?
When we see something negative in another person and
become aware that we are judging the individual instead
of evaluating the action and understanding the reason for
that action, we should immediately stop whatever we are
doing, turn around and get that thought pattern
out of our own consciousness, which is causing the
reflection that our senses are picking up.
We can do this because the moment of the
present is our only point of power given unto us.
There are two basic aspects of change in regard to the
consciousness that need to be dealt with.
-> First, is to correct what we see in others;
-> Second is to eliminate from thought and deed, the
unwanted things that are happening in our own life.
Unblocking these two basic aspects alones, opens up our
wisdom 'within' and understanding and thereby making it
grown even more.
Blocking the two aspects dwarfs up your wisdom and
understanding and you remain on mercy of someone
else's wisdom and understanding.
In order to change something for the better, we must
first understand what we want to change.
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Jul 29, 2004, 03:40 PM
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| Re: What do you think about 'not judging'? We have no right to Judge anyone. We can give an opinion of what we think. Instead of judging some of us need to try to help with a solution. that my 3 cent worth. |
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Aug 2, 2004, 10:59 PM
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| Re: What do you think about 'not judging'? People who think it is wrong to "judge" others need to come down to my office, open the file cabinet and look inside some of the case files. You will see police reports in which one person did something horrible to another, lied about it, went to court and told the jury how wrong the other person was to accuse them, and how their rights were violated in the process.
I have been a probation officer for seven years and find it idiotic to think that when one person did something horrible to another, that it is somehow wrong to say, "That person did something horrible!"
Here is a quote you listed:
"If we had no hate, anger, prejudice, jealousy, etc. in
the blueprints of our own thoughts, there is no physical way we could see them in others."
To be blunt about it, this is some of the most mindless crap I have read in a long time. First of all, we don't see wrongdoing in others in a physical way, we make a judgement about their actions in our mind based upon our belief that what they did was wrong. Secondly, as rational adults we have a notion about what is generally right and wrong, we don't have to harbor hate, anger, etc., in ourselves to recognize them in others.
When we judge people, we compare something that they did, or we believe they did, against our own standards of right and wrong, and make a judgement about it on this basis. While this type of activity can certainly be misused in certain circumstances, as a general rule, I see nothing wrong with this practice. |
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Feb 14, 2005, 01:39 PM
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| opinion of not judging I agree that we should not judge.
We can only judge against our own personal ideal, and judging implies the existence of good and bad. Good and bad are only the two extremes of an event and are based on JUDGEMENT.
Each person's reality is his own and that is it.
It is very difficult not to judge as we have all been brought up to think this way. The current worldview accepts judgement, the belief in good and evil, belief in god and the devil and so forth. Until these beliefs are gone there
will be judgements. |
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May 22, 2005, 08:32 PM
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| passing judgement It is obvious to me that the author of the previous post is an idiot. They say, "We can only judge against our own personal ideal, and judging implies the existence of good and bad. Good and bad are only the two extremes of an event and are based on JUDGEMENT.
Each person's reality is his own and that is it."
Obviously this person is not aware that we have a body of laws that we consider to be our collective "right and wrong" as opposed to an some "personal ideal." Let's say that I come into this person's home, rape his wife, and bash his daughter's face in with a hammer. How many people's "personal ideals" will think that this is OK? If my reality says that it is OK to do this, does that excuse my behavior and prevent the victims from seeking a legal remedy for my actions? Obviously any reasonable person will correctly identify my behavior as "wrong" and it is ridiculous to somehow conclude that they are wrong for doing so.
To put it another way, the author of the previous post is saying that it is wrong to judge people, but in doing so, is passing judgement on conduct they consider to be wrong, namely, passing judgement on others!!!!!
A reasonable person will recognize that as a society and a nation, we have adopted in our legal system a collective body of "right and wrong" and impose legal sanctions on people who do "wrong." This legal sanction is imposed not based upon the notion that "each person's reality is their own", but rather that the objective reality of a situation as it occurred is balanced against what is permitted by statute.
Sure, we may not as a society agree that everything prohibited by law is really wrong, but we do have a large body of law that we all agree upon, from everything from theft to murder. We do have a collective notion of right and wrong, good and bad. And you can't say that it is wrong to pass judgement on others because in so doing you are passing judgement on others yourself. |
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May 23, 2005, 10:22 AM
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| Perhaps in some ivory tower of academia we've decided not to pass judgement. I tell you to come with me for one day at my job. Walk with me as I talk to child molesters, child pornographers, and other monsters that violate children. Listen to the man who gets on the witness stand and tells you he punched a 2 month old baby in the head because he wouldn't stop crying. So i decided to give him something to cry about. Then look at the child who is now deaf, blind, in helmet, and permanently maimed. And state that we don't have a right to judge a person.
If you violate laws and social norms you open yourself up to judgement. You are not necessarily being judged but your behaviors are. Judging these behaviors allows us to see what treatment is possible for these people. There have been rehabilative statements made.. without an inital judgement there is no counseling. Assessment is a form of judgement. |
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Jun 30, 2005, 07:38 PM
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| let the judgement come to judge or not to judge how can you live with out making a judgement ,and i agree we must change others, to conform to the law,and to break that law will cause punishment severe as it may sound mankind has always understood that the law must be enforced,and the second part will naturealy occur,no thought or deed will no longer need to exsist,in a world dedicated to remove all evil so that no man will fear his fellow man |
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Apr 23, 2006, 10:30 PM
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| Judging conduct as either good or evil is not wrong.
Not judging it as good or evil is wrong since it indicates amorality and amorlity
approves of injustice. |
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Apr 13, 2008, 09:00 PM
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| As a general statement, it seems to me that if a person has done something wrong, why should it be wrong to say so? We make judgements about people all the time, for example the person who forces you to apply the brakes to keep from hitting them as they force their way into your lane in front of you. Their actions tell you something about the kind of person they are. Why should it be wrong for you to make a judgement about this person and say to the person seated next to you in the car, "That guy is a real jerk!" |
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Apr 14, 2008, 07:49 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by JimGunther As a general statement, it seems to me that if a person has done something wrong, why should it be wrong to say so? We make judgements about people all the time, for example the person who forces you to apply the brakes to keep from hitting them as they force their way into your lane in front of you. Their actions tell you something about the kind of person they are. Why should it be wrong for you to make a judgement about this person and say to the person seated next to you in the car, "That guy is a real jerk!" |
Ultimately we should not judge (see my answer above)...but...in reality I believe that we all have the right to express our opinions. It doesn't matter what someone else thinks of those opinions. They are unique to us and our right. If someone is on television and says something that someone else finds offensive I do NOT believe that the person should issue some sort of apology because someone else chose to be offended. As an example, considering what Obama said recently I think that he should stand by what he said and that's that. |
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