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Know what I think is the deadliest sin? G-R-E-E-D! It has destroyed friendships, families and nations. I don't think any of the ones that made it to the top ten list can come close to the destruction that "greed" can. It's a human thing, and one that seems to be a garnered tradition in most nations, today. I think in some degree we all have our moments when we give into it, but I think those of us, when we do succumb to greed, do it without hurting or stepping on the little people. It might perhaps be ok to walk by a blind beggar and not give him your last dime. But not ok to drop a quarter in his cup with one hand and take out a dollar with the other.
People just don't get it. We are here for EACH other, to be helpful to each other. Greed completely circumvents the humanity in us all, and so we become inhumane to our fellowman. Surely GREED should be an 11th commandment. Don't you think?
Pride my friends is the deadliest of all sins. It ismentioned in the Bible as well as many of the great literary books on the subject, Paradise Lost, Dante's Divine Comedy, and the Bible.
Pride is the precursor to all sins and that is why it is the first sin mentioned in the Bible with thestory of the Garden of Eden. Mans first sin on earth was Pride and it alsomentions that "pride cometh before the fall" this is in relation to Satans fall from heaven and also of man's fall from grace.
We all have our own opinion which is valid but to be technically sound about it the bible says it Pride and i agree.
I disagree that pride is the precursor to all sin, because if it were not for pride no one would work as hard as they do, achieve as much as they do, right down to the most mundane of chores, house-cleaning. Can you imagine what a home would be like without pride? What would DaVinci's work be without pride? Pride is not bad, but like all things ... ANYTHING taken to excess is, and anything taken to excess is GREED!
If it is written in the Bible, and mind you, this is just MY VIEWS, it is folklore, passed on by word of mouth till fact became an acceptable fiction.
How many times have you heard the scenario about the same car accident viewed by a number of observers with each observer giving a different explanation of what they think they saw? Each gave very different opinions of what they witnessed! And this while the observation was taking place at the same time. So, how much of an event, do you think, carried thru the ages can possibly remain all fact? Certainly not a 100 per cent given the time lapse between oration/and or writings and event. I'd say more like 10 percent.
Again, just my opinion: the Bible is a contrivance that served to control the masses, and it only has a ten law constitution: the Ten Commandments. The whole concept of the stories in the Bible are designed to either fill your heart with love or fear, tho mostly the Bible scared the daylights out of me as a kid. Either or ... makes no difference, as long as you obeyed the Ten Commandments ... either out of love or out of fear. I wonder how many of you do so out of fear?
Regardless of your thoughts on whatthe Bible is or is not, I think if you meditate on the subject of sin you will probably connect it to most crimes, downfalls of nations, or individuals throughout history. The phrase "pride cometh before the fall" applies to world figures, nations, and even perhaps in your own daily life whn things go wrong. Break-ups, hurt feelings, not getting job promotions b/c some otherguy got it, not being looked at, feeling fat, feeling like you don't belong, feeling insulted, oh the list goes on andon and these are very daily events, all Pride my friend. Most of our feelings are based on pride orat the root of the issues we face pride always comes to the surface.
Again, I state resolutely that it is EXCESS of pride that led to many a mishap as, again, would anything else done to excess.
Are you saying that we should all not shower, nor comb our hair, or work at our marriage, and forget about weight problems so we can die of heart attacks? Is that not pride? If anything pride is the more efficient precursor to self improvement, a good motivator towards building a better life for yourself and your family. That word "better" is synonymous with "pride" btw, and therefore certainly not a bad thing. Do you think it's sin to take pride in your work, or have your chest fill with it when you behold the work of man and our beautiful cities?
"Make me proud, son." What is that? Evil? Or the installation of the willingness to do better, to take pride in, to be prideful.
,"Pride goeth before a fall" is not the all inclusive representation it should be. It is ONLY a fragment of it. As it was stated at the time I am sure it referenced some cataclysmic event in our history. But has not love also served to represent a downfall? Anthony and Cleopatra? Is love bad? Or an obsessive love? Love to Excess? No, GREED is EXCESS.
You seem to confuse forms of good pride with the sin of pride. Is itnot good to want to acheive success for one's self and family without being greedy, could one dream of making love to someone they love without being lustful?
Arguing that greed is the deadliest of all sins in just not true, i meanyes youcan have your opinion but it goes against what has been established by again , the Bible, some of thegreatest thinkers ever born as well as someof the greatest writers of all time. So if you refute mypoints you refute theirs to and that is not an argument you can really win.
Pride IS the first sin and it is the root of all others, this is well documented in any book written about theseven deadly sins and is cross referenced to many of the most known and outstanding books andideas on the subjects, feel free to reasearch that yourself and perhaps that will settle the debate better than i could ever.
I too do not agree with the bible and my opinions in some ways are very similar. However, it is difficult for those who do look to the bible for answers from God, to look within to find the truth that seems so simple and clear to you. If it isn't written, than some people don't trust it... however just because it is written, doesn't mean it is verbatum what God wants us to believe. I don't think God wants us to do anything, except find the answers within about how to live our lives and to create true spiritual awareness and growth... it isn't easy. IT is an ongoing process and many of us think that by defining what is wrong, we will know what is right.
The thing is, I don't think the commandments are what God created, but something society and man created out of a desire to follow God.
The bible has its benefits, its stories and lessons. We should be able to express our thoughts, feelings and opinions, without quoting what the bible said. That is difficult. Yes, I think greed, pride and selfishness, all bring about negative results. However without knowing what they are and experiencing them, how would we know better or different?
People think the answers are black and white, written for us to know. IF the answers were truly understood by man, we wouldn't be having this debate to begin with.
The infiniteness and greatness of God is something we cannot comprehend or explain, that is a fact. The particulars on what each of us believe or don't, are our opinions and they are based on our life experiences and the knowledge we gain through them. No one is right or wrong, we just have different perceptions. God wouldn't create us with the ability to have differences, or opinions, or the free will to choose what we believe, as well as the ability to sin, if it wasn't meant to be. Why would a world be created with all the opportunites we have, to be crucified later for it... That doesn't mean we aren't responsible for our actions, karma has a way of working that out. What you put out in the universe, you get back.
As far as the commandments go, it is a method of determining how to live life in a way that is in unity with others in a way that prevents imbalance and negativity. If God created the commandments, don't you think God is capable of creating the opportunity to sin in the first place? The ways to live your life in balance have to come from within, not a bible, not from the ten commmandments, and not from laws set by others. Yes there are standards set by society to prevent chaos and discord, but how that is implemented or understood, is different for each individual. Judging what others believe or don't isn't what God does, its what humans do..
[quote=shatteredsoul]I too do not agree with the bible and my opinions in some ways are very similar. However, it is difficult for those who do look to the bible for answers from God, to look within to find the truth that seems so simple and clear to you. If it isn't written, than some people don't trust it... however just because it is written, doesn't mean it is verbatum what God wants us to believe.
Shattered,
Well written and well appreciated!
The real problem here is not so much that people don't trust what is not written, but rather that they don't trust themselves. They move thru life under a looming cloud of uncertainty and so they look to the written word for clarity. What they don't seem to comprehend is that the written word was written by human hands, human hands that re-interpretated the interpretations of someone else's opinion, a bunch of someone elses at that. How one can can find clarity in that, is a wonderment to me.
Just as what I am writing here, is opinion. I don't expect what I'm saying to be accepted as gospel: as undeniable fact. But because many people (a multitude of followers) BACK the statements written in a compilations of opinions called the Bible, it becomes an irrevocable precedence for half the world to follow. My opinion is by far, outweighed.
Not that I care whether I am believed or not, but neither do I dare to define a code of ethics for all mankind to follow. I simply say, go within, not without. By that I mean pay attention! Pay attention to that whisper that you can barely hear. THAT is the voice inside you and THAT should be your God (if you will) and guidance in all things. If you are a decent ordinary sort, then what's inside can't be worse. Why pay attention to what's outside? To "pack" lore? Just because the majority follows it? Judgement is owned by you and no one else but you.
I saw a whole heard of wilderbeast jump off a cliff and hurdle themselves to their deaths. Where the leaders went, so went the rest. But these are animals, not a one among them with the ability to choose not to follow, not a one among them with the power ... the power of judgement, otherwise referred to here as simple common sense. And most of us are decent people. A hard thing, I know, to keep to in this day and age when we see so much corruption and "bending" of the rules going on, but still, in the end, it's up to you to decide and abide by your code of ethics and honor. You are entitled to your own opinion just as the writers of the Bible are, but would you insist your every opinion to be a decree as the Bible does? I just believe what's in me. C'mon people, how bad is that? To believe in yourself?
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