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As a believer in The Creator of the worlds, I have always wondered how an atheist comes to the conclusion that God is non existent ?
Please do not think that I am going to argue your points,just curious!!!
Is there any other proof that god existed always,or the idea of faith?
I sure hope there's other reasonging behind it than Faith. That wouldn't be very nice of them if they were allowed to believe that God has always been there because of faith, but I wasn't allowed to believe that Gasses have always been there because of faith.
Curious. Where do you suppose the gasses came from? You can't get something from nothing. So who created the gases?
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Not to pick on you in particular, silent (or pick on anyone at all really), but how can some of you keep saying that god can always have been there, while a mass of gases in space can't? Is it just out of sight out of mind for you, because that's not what you believe to be true? If one can exist on it's own, why not another?
It simply doesn't make sense than object, a thing, like a gas could just always be. A gas is inanimate, powerless, and so on. That's like saying, 'why couldn't it be possible for a house (or a car, or an airplane, etc..etc...) always be'? God is a being of incredible power, and incredible intelligence. His always having been and always being in existance (being the only one that can make such gases exist, by the way) makes more logical sense than accepting that any gases could always be. You can't compare one with the other, because there is no comparison.
I'll try this again.
See...it DOES make sense to some people that a gas and a god are equal in importance. Would you say that oxygen, which you breathe every day, has less importance than your god? I would say they're equal in importance, because without one, you would have no reason for the other. Or--if you gave a person who couldn't breathe the choice between accepting God as their saviour, or a gas that could save their life--which becomes the more immediately important "thing"?
What I'm trying to say is that your logic doesn't work. If god could always be, then gases could always be. How can you prove different? How can logic say that one thing can exist always, because it's a GOD, and another can't, because it's just a gas? How do you know that the gas isn't a god too?
It simply doesn't make sense than object, a thing, like a gas could just always be. A gas is inanimate, powerless, and so on. That's like saying, 'why couldn't it be possible for a house (or a car, or an airplane, etc..etc...) always be'? God is a being of incredible power, and incredible intelligence. His always having been and always being in existance (being the only one that can make such gases exist, by the way) makes more logical sense than accepting that any gases could always be. You can't compare one with the other, because there is no comparison.
Although an object can be destroyed it's energy can not be. At least as far as we know right now. So you are right gasses haven't always existed but the energy contained in those gases has. An atom is stored energy. You can destroy an atom but in the process you release energy. That energy could then used to form a different atom. That energy will always be and it always has been. Maybe your religion isn't that different from science after all. Shame you won't study it.
See...it DOES make sense to some people that a gas and a god are equal in importance. Would you say that oxygen, which you breathe every day, has less importance than your god? I would say they're equal in importance, because without one, you would have no reason for the other. Or--if you gave a person who couldn't breathe the choice between accepting God as their saviour, or a gas that could save their life--which becomes the more immediately important "thing"?
What I'm trying to say is that your logic doesn't work. If god could always be, then gases could always be. How can you prove different? How can logic say that one thing can exist always, because it's a GOD, and another can't, because it's just a gas? How do you know that the gas isn't a god too?
If the gases always were, then how did they suddenly decide to form into worlds, stars, plants, animals and people? Where did the order and beauty come from if not designed?
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I'll try this again.
See...it DOES make sense to some people that a gas and a god are equal in importance. Would you say that oxygen, which you breathe every day, has less importance than your god? I would say they're equal in importance, because without one, you would have no reason for the other. Or--if you gave a person who couldn't breathe the choice between accepting God as their saviour, or a gas that could save their life--which becomes the more immediately important "thing"?
What I'm trying to say is that your logic doesn't work. If god could always be, then gases could always be. How can you prove different? How can logic say that one thing can exist always, because it's a GOD, and another can't, because it's just a gas? How do you know that the gas isn't a god too?
If the gases always were, then how did they suddenly decide to form into worlds, stars, plants, animals and people? Where did the order and beauty come from if not designed?
I didnt mean that, i meant that having religion may make you a better person. If you're already a fantastic person and you dont feel you need religion then well done to you im a good person and i dont need religion
i still dont like the way you used the term better, i dont understand why some of those that have religion qualifies them to be a 'better' person than me or others
im a good person and i dont need religion
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