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Old Jul 20, 2007, 12:22 PM
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Atheists do not believe,How?

As a believer in The Creator of the worlds, I have always wondered how an atheist comes to the conclusion that God is non existent ?
Please do not think that I am going to argue your points,just curious!!!

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Old Nov 2, 2007, 05:01 AM   #531  
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I think we should all respect eachother's beliefs, after all thats what makes us a cultural world. If everyone believed the same thing there would be no diversity and life would be so very boring

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Old Nov 2, 2007, 05:05 AM   #532  
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Have you thought about why it annoys you? Could it be because you want to apply your conclusion that you are "a fortuitous arrangement of salty water" to everybody else as well? Doesn't it give you pause to find yourself in bed with mountain man on this one?

How can you (and mountain man) be so very sure that these are the only two possibilities? Of course, the logical mind loves unambiguous distinctions and mutually exclusive alternatives, but reality is often messier than that. I see a vast continuum between these two extremes.

I should have stated the opposite I suppose. It seems a bit silly to me for someone to say "If i believe in reincarnation, I will be reincarnated, and if I believe in a final death, then I will have a final death". Both Christianity (within it's denominations, at least) and Atheism are fairly clear about what happens after death, and are very clear that it will happen to everyone.

I don't wish to apply the "salty bag of water" to everyone, since, if it's true, it applies regardless or not of whether I want it to. People can believe as they wish but I don't believe that what they believe will change squat.

I havent heard of a religion that states that whatever you think will happen after death will infact happen exactly the way you believe. Although that might be a very nice religion to be a part of.

I wasn't sure about the 2 possibilities at all. I am only sure about one of them.
 
 
     
 
 
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Nobody knows the trust about what happens to us after death, the only way we will ever know for sure is when we die. It's abit pesimistic, but it is true. Maybe theres life after death or maybe not. I dont think we should dwell on the question too much, one day we will find out so why not enjoy your life now and worry later
 
 
     
 
 
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Where do the theories of the big bang, or evolution, or abiogenesis state that something comes out of nothing?

Basically "big bang" says that there was a big explosion from gases and whatever.......now how did those gases or materials come about? Were they simply always there? It offers no answers for that, just the blind conjecture that these things were there, they came together, and BANG. Evolution, depending on which person you're discussing it with, says that everyone came together after billions of years of being in some primordial soup......yet it doesn't explain where those elements came from, again assuming they were just always there. People put a lot of stock into these ridiculous theories and push and push and push them as fact simply because scientists word these things in a way so as to make them sound intelligent and plausible.
 
 
     
 
 
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Nobody knows the trust about what happens to us after death, the only way we will ever know for sure is when we die. It's abit pesimistic, but it is true. Maybe theres life after death or maybe not. I dont think we should dwell on the question too much, one day we will find out so why not enjoy your life now and worry later

What we KNOW about death is that when someone dies, they have zero functions body wise......no brain activity, no working respiratory or circulatory systems, and eventually the body crumbles back into dust (of which the human body possesses many of the same elements). From what we can see, when a person or animal dies, that's it. There's only the speculation that anything additionally happens that people cling to.
 
 
     
 
 
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Hello silent:

The big bang came from a singularity, not "gasses and whatever". The big bang and evolution have nothing to do with each other.

Criticism is fine, but base it on facts. Of course, that would involve study and you're probably not going to do that. Especially if you think it's ridiculous.

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Basically "big bang" says that there was a big explosion from gases and whatever.......now how did those gases or materials come about? Were they simply always there? It offers no answers for that, just the blind conjecture that these things were there, they came together, and BANG. Evolution, depending on which person you're discussing it with, says that everyone came together after billions of years of being in some primordial soup......yet it doesn't explain where those elements came from, again assuming they were just always there. People put a lot of stock into these ridiculous theories and push and push and push them as fact simply because scientists word these things in a way so as to make them sound intelligent and plausible.

No, it doesn't, please go and study big bang theory, stellar formation theory, planetary formation theory, and evolutionary theory. Then we can have an intelligent discussion.
 
 
     
 
 
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No, it doesn't, please go and study big bang theory, stellar formation theory, planetary formation theory, and evolutionary theory. Then we can have an intelligent discussion.

Yes it does. Go study it yourself.....and forget the discussion.
 
 
     
 
 
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Haha this has been quite a topical debate
 
 
     
 
 
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Hello silent:

The big bang came from a singularity, not "gasses and whatever". The big bang and evolution have nothing to do with each other.

Criticism is fine, but base it on facts. Of course, that would involve study and you're probably not going to do that. Especially if you think it's ridiculous.

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Sorry, excon, but I'm not going to take your word for it. I've heard the "big bang" theory in many different versions and forms, one of which I mentioned.
 
 
     


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