Atheists do not believe,How?

firmbeliever · Jul 20, 2007, 12:22 PM

As a believer in The Creator of the worlds, I have always wondered how an atheist comes to the conclusion that God is non existent ?
Please do not think that I am going to argue your points,just curious!!!

Thanks in advance.

mountain_man · Nov 1, 2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Are you talking about being saved by Jesus(alaihi salaam)?

Yes

inthebox · Nov 1, 2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

The irony of what you say here is that most of the 'bible thumpers' have 'found' god because they hit rock bottom with addictions and abuse. Yet the non-believers have had no such issues.

Your statement about believers is just as wrong as if I classified all atheists as this monster:

Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikiquote

Grace and Peace

KBC · Nov 1, 2007, 11:09 AM

But in here we can at least have a social discussion on a very volatile issue.

Catholicism,Judaism,atheism,satanism,paganism,wicc an,baptist,...the list could go on and on.

IS THERE A HAPPY MEDIUM WE CAN ALL AGREE TO?

NO!

What makes one better or more right than the other? NOTHING,just a concept.

If I can live without belief in a higher power/god figure,YES, I will 'stand on my own' like mountain_man stated. Is it something others have to accept,YES.

Anyone else?

Ken

jillianleab · Nov 1, 2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mountain_man

You all KBC, ordinary guy, NK, jillianleab; all have the right to "stand on your own" that is and always will be your choice. I am not pushing anything on either of you, although I would love to see you believe and be saved, I cannot force you or can anyone. You are free to make your own choice and clearly have. There is no point to further agree a point where two sides are so firmly grounded. If a reddie is what you see fit to give go ahead I don't see it as rude but I will continue to agrue or debate my beliefs against whatever topic is posed so if we come back to this point so be it. Take care

I'm not giving you a reddie because it is rude to do so when someone has expressed their opinion. I felt it necessary, however, to point out the flaw in the reasoning you used to come to your opinion. You said "all" when you should have said "some". I'm sure you would disagree with me if I said, "All people would be better off if they were atheist".

As far as pushing anything on any of us, you've done just that. Rather than respect the differences in our views and beliefs, you have consistently told us to "ask god to see him" and so on. Have I asked you to turn away from god, except in the sense that if you do it will help you gain empathy for our position? You continue to say how you would "love to see us believe and be saved", yet no one has said they hope you reject god. So perhaps in your mind you are not pushing your views, but reverse everything you've said, and pretend it came from me.

All people would be better off if they are atheist.
No one has a "god shaped" hole.
Open your eyes, and you will see there is no god.
I would love to see you reject god and realize atheism is the true way.

If I said those things to you, would you not feel I was pushing my beliefs on you? I think you would. Here's the difference between you and me: I don't care what you believe. I really don't. You don't hurt me in any way, shape or form by believing in god. In fact, if your faith is what gives you moral guidance and keeps you from killing your neighbor, well, I'm GLAD you believe in god. But you, on the other hand, appear to have a problem with the fact that I don't believe. Despite the fact that I have morals and values, I don't commit crimes, I'm a good person, I contribute to society and my community, I have a family, etc, that's not enough for you. You insist I must believe to be "good" in your eyes. How about basing your opinion of someone based off of their actions instead of their beliefs? How about respecting the differences people have, and keep your religion to yourself when you encounter someone who is satisfied with their spiritual self?

You say you will continue to argue or debate your beliefs, and I respect that, I really do, but this thread is not about YOUR beliefs. This is not the place to argue why Christianity is the "way" the "truth" or whatever. This thread was started to find out WHY atheists believe what they do and what they if fact, believe. It's here to clear up misconceptions, no to present an argument as to why atheism is better that Christianity. There's nothing personal about it, but you seem to have taken it as such.

KBC · Nov 1, 2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

I'm not giving you a reddie because it is rude to do so when someone has expressed their opinion. I felt it necessary, however, to point out the flaw in the reasoning you used to come to your opinion. You said "all" when you should have said "some". I'm sure you would disagree with me if I said, "All people would be better off if they were atheist".

As far as pushing anything on any of us, you've done just that. Rather than respect the differences in our views and beliefs, you have consistently told us to "ask god to see him" and so on. Have I asked you to turn away from god, except in the sense that if you do it will help you gain empathy for our position? You continue to say how you would "love to see us believe and be saved", yet no one has said they hope you reject god. So perhaps in your mind you are not pushing your views, but reverse everything you've said, and pretend it came from me.

All people would be better off if they are atheist.
No one has a "god shaped" hole.
Open your eyes, and you will see there is no god.
I would love to see you reject god and realize atheism is the true way.

If I said those things to you, would you not feel I was pushing my beliefs on you? I think you would. Here's the difference between you and me: I don't care what you believe. I really don't. You don't hurt me in any way, shape or form by believing in god. In fact, if your faith is what gives you moral guidance and keeps you from killing your neighbor, well, I'm GLAD you believe in god. But you, on the other hand, appear to have a problem with the fact that I don't believe. Despite the fact that I have morals and values, I don't commit crimes, I'm a good person, I contribute to society and my community, I have a family, etc, that's not enough for you. You insist I must believe to be "good" in your eyes. How about basing your opinion of someone based off of their actions instead of their beliefs? How about respecting the differences people have, and keep your religion to yourself when you encounter someone who is satisfied with their spiritual self?

You say you will continue to argue or debate your beliefs, and I respect that, I really do, but this thread is not about YOUR beliefs. This is not the place to argue why Christianity is the "way" the "truth" or whatever. This thread was started to find out WHY atheists believe what they do and what they if fact, believe. It's here to clear up misconceptions, no to present an argument as to why atheism is better that Christianity. There's nothing personal about it, but you seem to have taken it as such.

Well, since I can't give another greenie to you, I will just state the obvious, WE really do see alike on this issue, and I for one, am glad you can write out the feelings I feel so clearly, thank you for your outlook and opinion.

Ken

NeedKarma · Nov 1, 2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Your statement about believers is just as wrong as if I classified all atheists as this monster:
Jeffrey Dahmer - Wikiquote
Grace and Peace

Actually I was referring to this discussion board uniquely. And I wasn't painting all believers as such, you know me better than that, only the ones who constantly push scripture and can't understand why we don't want to be saved.

mountain_man · Nov 1, 2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by firmbeliever

Then according to your thinking I will need saving too,but then as I already accept Jesus(alaihi salaam) a little differently from you I do not believe in what you believe.
I believe in an Almighty who has none equal or like Him.No partners.Not born of anyone, no offspring......

Now see the road this could take.

I believe mine is the One true religion,but I cannot show concrete proof as expected by most people.

I believe in the Bible and the road to salvation represented in that. We will all be ultimately be judged by the one true God, I can only do what I believe to be right and have faith that it is such.

mountain_man · Nov 1, 2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jillianleab

I'm not giving you a reddie because it is rude to do so when someone has expressed their opinion. I felt it necessary, however, to point out the flaw in the reasoning you used to come to your opinion. You said "all" when you should have said "some". I'm sure you would disagree with me if I said, "All people would be better off if they were atheist".

As far as pushing anything on any of us, you've done just that. Rather than respect the differences in our views and beliefs, you have consistently told us to "ask god to see him" and so on. Have I asked you to turn away from god, except in the sense that if you do it will help you gain empathy for our position? You continue to say how you would "love to see us believe and be saved", yet no one has said they hope you reject god. So perhaps in your mind you are not pushing your views, but reverse everything you've said, and pretend it came from me.

All people would be better off if they are atheist.
No one has a "god shaped" hole.
Open your eyes, and you will see there is no god.
I would love to see you reject god and realize atheism is the true way.

If I said those things to you, would you not feel I was pushing my beliefs on you? I think you would. Here's the difference between you and me: I don't care what you believe. I really don't. You don't hurt me in any way, shape or form by believing in god. In fact, if your faith is what gives you moral guidance and keeps you from killing your neighbor, well, I'm GLAD you believe in god. But you, on the other hand, appear to have a problem with the fact that I don't believe. Despite the fact that I have morals and values, I don't commit crimes, I'm a good person, I contribute to society and my community, I have a family, etc, that's not enough for you. You insist I must believe to be "good" in your eyes. How about basing your opinion of someone based off of their actions instead of their beliefs? How about respecting the differences people have, and keep your religion to yourself when you encounter someone who is satisfied with their spiritual self?

You say you will continue to argue or debate your beliefs, and I respect that, I really do, but this thread is not about YOUR beliefs. This is not the place to argue why Christianity is the "way" the "truth" or whatever. This thread was started to find out WHY atheists believe what they do and what they if fact, believe. It's here to clear up misconceptions, no to present an argument as to why atheism is better that Christianity. There's nothing personal about it, but you seem to have taken it as such.

You are right, although I could respond to this I will not because it has nothing to do with the original post.



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