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Mar 1, 2007, 09:03 AM
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| | | Court Date Tomorrow w/ Collector Hello All,
I Currently live in MD however prior to 2001 I lived in NY.
1/2006 I called a small bank in NY I had an account with for years and learned that it had been restrained by a law firm C&S representing a creditor (Spiegel).
I called this firm and found there was a judgment obtained 7/2003 at an old address but I didnt live there because I was in MD since 2001. I wrote a letter to the firm and court as my answer and requesting validation and for it to be vacated. I received a letter from the firm stating they dont have to validate it because they already have a judgment. And the court stated I had to contact the records department.
So I didnt find the time in 2006 to go to court in NY due to personal issues. Any how 1/2007 an account Wachovia that I established in MD was restrained by the same firm for not just the Spiegel account but a Providian account they obtained a judgment for in 2004 Again which I never received because I was served and an old address and I live in MD. Well I spoke with a friend that told me the firm doesnt have the jurisdiction to attach and account that was established outside of NYS based on some sort of case law (Motorola Credit Corp v. Uzan). The firm immediately released the accounts stating that they would close the case since I live in MD but they knew that in 2006 because they responded to my letter and addressed it to my MD address.
In any case I went to court in NY 2/20/07 to request a date and order to show cause/vacate judgment.
I received a call from another firm W&A, Monday, 2/26/07 stating that they now have the account and have had the account since 11/2006. So I sent them a copy of the summons stating and a letter stating that if they have the debt how am I being collected on by C&S they said they would get back to me. I called the creditor these firms are representing and was told they dont have to validate anything because they already have a judgment.
My court date is tomorrow Ive notified and received proof of service for all involved Providian account and Spiegel.
1. This account is not mine.
2. They say this debt is from 1998, I was 18 and couldnt have/didnt have a credit card with a limit of 4K like they are Alleging (worst case if this even were mine).
Once this is vacated which I hope I want to sue C&S for their practices for attaching my account in MD without jurisdiction.
I want to counter sue them theyve attached 2 accounts, placed this on my credit report refusing to validate because they had a judgment but the judgment was obtained on bad service I couldnt have come to court because I never knew there was a court date. They are juggling my account from firm to firm.
Need help on A. How to get this vacated tomorrow and what grounds can I sue C&S on civilly (?) since they are the firm obtaining these default judgments on bad service and no proof.?
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Mar 1, 2007, 09:34 AM
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| Motion to vacate lack of jurisdiction, lack of proper service, Motion to vacate for void judgment dueto lack of jurisidction over the defendent from improper service. MOtion to Quash the attachment also |
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Mar 1, 2007, 09:53 AM
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| Thanks Mr. Yet - the attachment was already released...
Do you know if any of what the firm has done violates FDCPA? And if I have grounds for civil suit? |
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Mar 1, 2007, 10:00 AM
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| Not really did they violate FDCPA, you case is more civil in nature, due to improper service and them obtain a judgment in NY.
In Maryland dont take no for an answer from the court, this judgment is void on the face due to improper service and lack of jurisdiction over you the defendant since you dont live in NY. THe Judge can declare and vacate it and void. As for W & A law firm they are one of the worst in violation of your rights, I have dealt with them before, they are the bottom of barrel scum collectors |
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Mar 1, 2007, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mr.yet Not really did they violate FDCPA, you case is more civil in nature, due to improper service and them obtain a judgment in NY.
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Yeah Ive heard about them.....and NAF.
SO basically I shouldnt have a problem filing a counter suit, since its civil in nature? |
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Mar 1, 2007, 10:15 AM
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| Correct countersuit would be possible, you can also demand the the plaintiff appear before the court for you to cross examine, and that they produce the original contract you signed, no contract, no claim.
You are entitled to due process of the law through every step of the process, make them give it to you, even the judge. Deny all, admit nothing unless they comply.
Goggle this 18 USC 242, just may help> |
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Mar 1, 2007, 11:48 AM
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|  Thanks! I suppose if things go wrong I can always reference that to keep things balanced |
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Mar 1, 2007, 12:27 PM
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| Add to your motions the follwoing
File Moton to Vacate, lack of due process, Lack of personal jurisdiction, and subject matter jurisdiction.
You have the right to face your accusers, i that did not happen you were denied due process.
Defendant who is unschooled in the law
and ask that the court take Judical Notice of the enunciation of principles as
Stated in “Haines v. Kerner, 404 U.S. 519,” wherein the court has directed that
those who are unschooled in law making pleadings and/or complaints shall have
the court look to the substance of the pleadings rather than the form, and also
hereby makes the attached memorandum, including the related documents
attached herewith, in the above-referenced case. Furthermore, Defendant hereby
requests the judge notify them of any sua sponte, rights or remedies they may
overlook.
Furthermore, Defendant ask that the court take Judicial Notice that statements of
counsel in Brief or in oral argument are not facts & before the court, only the
parties statements made under oath, and the PARTIES pleadings, motions, etc
carry any weight & counsel is not a & “Party to the suit |
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Mar 5, 2007, 04:29 AM
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| I got the judgement vacated!
However I still need to look into filing a counter suit and I have a follow up date sometime in July to permanently get this closed/dismissed. |
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Mar 5, 2007, 05:00 AM
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Pay to call ScottGem for advice ($.75/min) | I hate to throw some cold water on you, but I really wouldn't bother with a counter suit. First, you might have a very hard time proving improper service. If you actually did live at the address you were served at, then they could be deemed to have made a good faith effort to serve you. Second, you would have to prove monetary damages to sue for. And I'm not sure how you can do that.
I have the feeling you think you can get punitive damages and a big payday out of this. The likelihood of that happening, especially without a long drawn out case, is very small. |
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