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nadine01 · Mar 23, 2008, 07:46 PM

How do you know this
Did you have the products tested to see if they in fact
Contain hydroquinone?

**Because I have a friend who went to a BCP seminar in the Philippines(they are the ones who distributes the "unlabelled" Diana stalder Stalder products. She told me that the bleaching creams(they have 2 kinds by the way, the yellow and white one) has HQ in it.

pnaybeauty · Mar 23, 2008, 10:41 PM

The Yellow Bleaching Cream is: HQ, Tretinoin, Vitamin C and Hydrocortisone.
The White/Plain Bleaching Cream is: HQ and Vitamin C.
The Black Soap is: HQ.

Two sellers on Ebay claim that THEIR Black Soap is Licorice (unlabelled) WRONG!!
I know this because I personally called BCP and finally revealed the truth on another forum. I don't mean to start anything but misleading facts is just a big NO NO NO!!

pnaybeauty · Mar 23, 2008, 10:46 PM

When I called BCP and spoke with a REAL PERSON, they said that "They do not provided medication for DRA. VICKI BELO." Whoever is claiming this is WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!!

Originally Posted by nikkicute

How do you know this:confused:
Did you have the products tested to see if they in fact
contain hydroquinone?

For a second I thought maybe they did.
I ran across this website.
You see the jar of bleaching cream?
look a like jar of cream

That Kligman's formula cream looks exactly like my cream
I purchased from an ebay seller. The Kligman's formula has
hq in it.

Same size, same jar, same round white sticker on
top with the writing in blue letters except mine reads
"whitening cream 10g", manufactured in the same
location (philippines).

And I thought for a second it might be the same cream.
But I look and see there are other creams being sold,
including the kojic acid cream. It also looks iike the jar of lightening
cream I purchased.

Now that bar of soap is the EXACT bar of kojic acid soap
I received and I thought that bar of soap was exclusive
to the DS line, if you google you will see other
sellers (mostly from philippines) also selling this soap.

Again, I bought my cream and soap from the unlabeled/unbranded seller.
I hope that her products
don't contain hq, which I don't mind using but I am looking
for natural products besides Fair and Flawless I can use that
work just has good. I like switching products so my skin won't
get used to the cream. At least I heard with some skin products that can happen.
My favorite hydroquinone product
is Reviva Labs Brown Spot Remver (night cream) only 2%hq
but works like a 4% cream due to the fact it does not contain
mineral oil or petroleum so it really penetrates the skin very well.

Ok...let me get this straight.
The labeled and the unlabeled/unbranded ones are not the same formula but come from and are manufactured by the
same company The Stalder Group/ Stalder Labortories
which also sells the ones with the labels on them.

That's the answer SouthGain wrote to my questions.
I wonder what is the difference in the formula's?
It's comming from the same company anyway.

"So it's possible to buy products with the label of some famous dermatologists, while in fact, the products are made by Stalder. However, these are NOT the same formulation as the Diana Stalder product line."

They sell unlabeled products to dermatologist including
Dr.Vicki Belo, she puts her own name on the products.
So am I getting the same product as patients of Dr.Belo?

Because she also (reportedly) get's her products from the Stalder group, unlabeled.
I got mine unlabeled too!!

When they mean labeled they mean the Diane name is on the bottle not Dr. Belo right:confused:

This is what confused me about the two names being involved.
Sorry if my post confused anyone:o

nadine01 · Mar 24, 2008, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by pnaybeauty

The Yellow Bleaching Cream is: HQ, Tretinoin, Vitamin C and Hydrocortisone.
The White/Plain Bleaching Cream is: HQ and Vitamin C.
The Black Soap is: HQ.

Two sellers on Ebay claim that THEIR Black Soap is Licorice (unlabelled) WRONG!!!
I know this because I personally called BCP and finally revealed the truth on another forum. I dont mean to start anything but misleading facts is just a big NO NO NO!!!

This is true

nikkicute · Mar 24, 2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by pnaybeauty

The Yellow Bleaching Cream is: HQ, Tretinoin, Vitamin C and Hydrocortisone.
The White/Plain Bleaching Cream is: HQ and Vitamin C.
The Black Soap is: HQ.

Two sellers on Ebay claim that THEIR Black Soap is Licorice (unlabelled) WRONG!!!
I know this because I personally called BCP and finally revealed the truth on another forum. I dont mean to start anything but misleading facts is just a big NO NO NO!!!

Ok I'm calling her out.
The eBay seller I bought from is filipinagoddess.
You think her creams have HQ in them?

It reads in her description her products are
Manufactured by SGC, supplier to 85% of Philippine dermatologists.

A Filipino - Swiss company, SGC adheres to the BABTAC (British Association of Beauty Therapy and Cosmetology) standards of professional services, strictly implementing quality, hygienic standards and procedures.

What about SouthGain do you think their products are HQ free?

jammixmaster · Mar 24, 2008, 01:19 PM

Being brown isn't a bad thing. I just don't like the fact that I am brown. I don't know, maybe I have a mental problem or something but when I look in the mirror and see my dark skin I am disgusted and what's worse, is the fact that I know I'm not ugly. I have girls coming at me left and right ( a bit of exaggeration, but you know what I mean). I just don't like what I see. I feel like I should have been born white. I don't know why. Its sort of like guys who get a sex change because they believe they should have been born a girl and vice-versa. Well, I'm a black person and I feel like I should have been born white. I don't hate black people or anything like that, I'm just not happy in my own skin. Its 2008 and I believe people should be able to change ANYTHING about themselves to make them happy. Getting to a lighter shade would def make me happy. If you don't like it then don't. I'm not asking you to, I'm only asking you to accept it.

nadine01 · Mar 26, 2008, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by nikkicute

Ok I'm calling her out.
The ebay seller I bought from is filipinagoddess.
You think her creams have HQ in them?

It reads in her description her products are
manufactured by SGC, supplier to 85% of Philippine dermatologists.

A Filipino - Swiss company, SGC adheres to the BABTAC (British Association of Beauty Therapy and Cosmetology) standards of professional services, strictly implementing quality, hygienic standards and procedures.

What about SouthGain do you think their products are HQ free?

Filipinagoddes
CelebritySkincare
Filipina_beautyholics_72
Beautyliciousfilipina

They all get it from the same company. Their creams has HQ in it. I'm not against Hydroquinone... I think its very unresponsible for them as a seller claiming that their products don't contain HQ.
Southgain only sells branded diana stalder. DS whitening cream has licorice, kojic and lactic acid as ingredient.

SugarBlush · Mar 26, 2008, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by nadine01

filipinagoddes
CelebritySkincare
filipina_beautyholics_72
beautyliciousfilipina

they all get it from the same company. their creams has HQ in it. im not against Hydroquinone.....i think its very unresponsible for them as a seller claiming that their products dont contain HQ.
Southgain only sells branded diana stalder. DS whitening cream has licorice, kojic and lactic acid as ingredient.

I don't think CelebritySkinCare sell fake DS products because the seller shows proof pictures. You can see it on her website & eBay store.

Gr8stuff · Mar 26, 2008, 11:05 AM

Does anyone know if the branded black soap has HQ? :confused:

nadine01 · Mar 26, 2008, 10:36 PM

Sugarblush, I'm not saying that they sell fake products. They get the same product from BCP which is under Diana stalder company. Im just saying, the branded Diana stalder is different from the unbranded ones-with regards to ingredients.

SugarBlush · Mar 26, 2008, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by nadine01

Sugarblush, im not saying that they sell fake products. They get the same product from BCP which is under Diana stalder company. Im just saying, the branded Diana stalder is different from the unbranded ones-with regards to ingredients.

I got mine from CelebritySkinCare. I ordered the unlabeled ones. The soaps are wrapped in clear plastic labeled Diana Stalder logo on it. Are they from BCP too?
I don't get it. Why do they have 2 different formulas? :confused:

nikkicute · Mar 27, 2008, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by SugarBlush

I don't get it. Why do they have 2 different formulas? :confused:

I'm wondering the samething too.
Does the Stalder group make creams with HQ?

Marj16 · Mar 27, 2008, 04:30 PM

Stalder Laboratories/chemist made all those products according to each dermatologist formula/order. The unlabeled products- they can't call it Diana Stalder because it's different formula from the Diana Stalder which they have their own formulation. Although it made by Stalder laboratories. Diana Stalder is really strict/firm saying if it's not package or labeled with Diana Stalder it's not genuine.

For example dermatologist A would like to produce a soap with this kind of formula but don't have a place or machine to make a big volume of soap. She needs to contact the Stalder Laboratories through BCP to make using her own formula. So she decided to put her own label later once it's made. Dermatologist B has his own formula will do the same thing as Dermatologist A and use his own label. Dermatologist C - she did the same thing as the two dermatologists and labeled her as Diana Stalder. All of those Dermatologists have their own formulation in every product. Maybe one of the dermatologist formulas has a HQ. The products that have HQ need dermatologist supervision. BCP is like a broker for those dermatologists. BCP is in charge of marketing and distribution. BCP Dermatological Corporation markets its products both directly to doctors through the Ethical Products Division and to consumers through the Consumer Products Division.

Diana Stalder is own by Dina dela Paz- Stalder and she's also the President and Chief Executive Officer of BCP. But those unlabeled are not hers. DS papaya kojic bar , licorice bar, lemon bar , revitalizing bar and oatmeal bar soap have a DS stamped logo (within the soap) except those transparent soap: black soap, tea tree, collagen, glycerine (I don't know why).

Jace032000 · Apr 2, 2008, 06:17 PM

Hi Jammix master. I used the Vicki Belo products that I purchased off eBay. Although the shipment arrived fast... I could tell that it was packaged by the seller (meaning placed in a bottle and labled). I was really desperate, so I tried the product as directed. I ordered the Papya soap and black licorce soap as well to go along with the skin and face bleach. Needless to say, out of all the products that I've tried... these products lightened my skin by 2 shades. Before I had a Gabriel Union skin tone... and before it was all said in done, my skin tone had achieved a Vivaca Fox color. It remained that way (without sunscreen) for about 3 months. If I would've kept it up... it would've lasted longer. It is however a big hassel and a lot of work (at least for me it was)... but the results were amazing.

jammixmaster · Apr 3, 2008, 04:52 AM

Really? That's excellent for you but my experience was a bit different. IT BROKE ME OUT! I willl NEVER use Vicki Belo again, her products made me break out all over my fabulous face! I had to use extensive cover up to hide my acne from her stupid products, I think it was the soap more than the lotion or face wash, but whatever. I didn't like it, I might as well go with something else, but I do not recommend vicki belo, but that's just my opinion, for others (such as Jace032000) it worked fine.

Guest · Apr 3, 2008, 08:43 AM

I am using Belo Essentials the pink version and it is working on my skin. My skin feels so soft and it is getting lighter. I am a black American I have medium brown skin, and when I go outside into the sunlight I can see how light my skin is getting. I ordered my set on eBay.

jammixmaster · Apr 3, 2008, 11:20 AM

Hmm, well maybe I didn't give it a chance, honestly I only used it twice and once I started breaking out I automatically blamed it on the Belo Essentials Blue set. Maybe I'll re-order at a later date and try it again.

crystalflaire · Apr 6, 2008, 12:12 AM

Belo essentials are effective. Well, it depends also to a person's skin type. I might say that your skin doesn't fit to the blue one. Maybe it's the pink one that does. But I don't want you to blame it on me if that pink also didn't suit you. It's just my opinion. :) generally, all those products from belo are not fake. Actually, that is the secret why celebreties here in the philippines have beautiful, white and gorgeous skins. Maybe it just didn't work out to your skin. Sorry for contradicting you. Hehe. Take care!

MAHARANI · Apr 6, 2008, 02:36 AM

It's funny that non registered posters are now posting that this product works.

MAHARANI · Apr 6, 2008, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Jace032000

Hi Jammix master. I used the Vicki Belo products that I purchased off ebay. out of all the products that I've tried...these products lightened my skin by 2 shades. Before I had a Gabriel Union skin tone...and before it was all said in done, my skin tone had achieved a Vivaca Fox color. It remained that way (without sunscreen) for about 3 months. If I would've kept it up ...it would've lasted longer. It is however a big hassel and a lot of work (at least for me it was)....but the results were amazing.

Can you explain what was the hassle. I think any product that gives good results and is affordable is a keeper for me.