[talaniman]

I didn't say segregation, I said discrimination.

It's still discrimination, no matter the excuse.

I am less worried about the baker than I am the employers and hotel clerks.

[NeedKarma]

Some great people down there, let's hope they keep their word:
Texas Pastor Says He Will Set Himself On Fire In Protest Over Gay Marriage : News : Headlines & Global News

Also, about Canada:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/its-l...re#.shlRq52nYy

[talaniman]

Nice one NK, maybe they will keep running north, or better, sneak south through the fence to Mexico.

[speechlesstx]

Gay marriage? Meh, state's rights no longer exist.

[talaniman]

States have no right to discriminate, segregate, or subjugate. Neither does religion.

[paraclete]

I hear the dogs barking again, It's happening all over, must be the election season

[speechlesstx]

States have no right to discriminate, segregate, or subjugate. Neither does religion.

No, that's the role of the federal government.

Thispractice of constitutional revision by an unelected committeeof nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagantpraise of liberty, robs the People of the most importantliberty they asserted in the Declaration ofIndependence and won in the Revolution of 1776: thefreedom to govern themselves. Scalia

[paraclete]

What does that mean speech you are free from the influence of foreign governments? However by treaty you are not free from the influence of the United Nations so you have lost, given up even, the right to govern yourselves

[speechlesstx]

I haven't given up.

[paraclete]

No your government did it for you, it's called democracy

[talaniman]

Just because we engage and support other countries does not mean we have given up the responsibility to govern ourselves Clete.

That's pretty wild.

[paraclete]

No Tal it's not, the UN charter to which you are a signatory requires that you fall in line with their edicts, so if they put forward a standard on the treatment of refugees for example you are expected to comply irrespective of your own laws, same goes for their sanctions this is why you have a veto on the security council, so you cannot be committed to war on a whim. other nations like my own don't have the same get out clause and they make lots of negative noises about a lot of things including internal issues and you have to allow undesirables into your country to attend their meetings

[NeedKarma]

Yep - give billions to Israel but screw the non-rich americans.

[paraclete]

Exactly, but you are not allowed to screw the poor either, it is just the US poor are so much richer than others. If the US wasn't such a big funder they would get much more bad comment from the UN

[tomder55]

I didn't say segregation, I said discrimination.



I am less worried about the baker than I am the employers and hotel clerks.

did you not say "You wouldn't go for separate water fountains as a compromise would you? " That is right out of pre-civil rights segregation.

There will be a rash of court cases where the homosexual community will try to punish those who are unaccepting of their "marriage " .As has been shown where states already had homosexual "marriage " statutes ,they play scorched earth on people who have religious objections to participating in their rituals .Now they will have the full weight of Federal law to use as a weapon.

[talaniman]

Refusing services to gay customers, is the same mindset as in those pre-segregation days, which are not completely gone or forgotten. They thought they had a right to discriminate back then too, and all were good christians I am sure.

The affected minority is the only difference in this case, but to many it makes no difference. Why shouldn't gays and any minorities have the full legal protection of the court to address the legal chicaneries thats has been practiced against them? Geez there are state that still ban interracial marriages, as well as different races attending the same schools.

Redlining in housing still goes on too Tom, and I remind you of the SCOTUS ruling yesterday for housing discrimination. Naw guy, religious freedom by a few is the new excuse to make yourself superior, and someone else inferior.

[cdad]

Refusing services to gay customers, is the same mindset as in those pre-segregation days, which are not completely gone or forgotten. They thought they had a right to discriminate back then too, and all were good christians I am sure.

The affected minority is the only difference in this case, but to many it makes no difference. Why shouldn't gays and any minorities have the full legal protection of the court to address the legal chicaneries thats has been practiced against them? Geez there are state that still ban interracial marriages, as well as different races attending the same schools.

Redlining in housing still goes on too Tom, and I remind you of the SCOTUS ruling yesterday for housing discrimination. Naw guy, religious freedom by a few is the new excuse to make yourself superior, and someone else inferior.

Actually Tal is isnt the same. And if you cant see that then your blind. There is a clear line for religious freedom and your side wants to destroy it by force. How come your side neglects to mention the other religions that are against gay marriage? There are after all 2 other ones out there that form a majorty status besides Christians.

Why does your side want to live in the past and reject the future until everyone is destroyed ? Doesnt make sense to me that anyone should give up their freedom so easily as to follow like sheeple to the slaughterhouse.


Do you really think the U.S. is no longer or can be a melting pot where everyone has rights and can get along.

[Wondergirl]

Doesnt make sense to me that anyone should give up their freedom so easily as to follow like sheeple to the slaughterhouse.

Who's giving up freedom?

Do you really think the U.S. is no longer or can be a melting pot where everyone has rights and can get along.

So now the US ISN'T a melting pot?

[talaniman]

Letting gays get married doesn't take away your freedom at all, if so how? Most people don't even care, and gays are AMERICANS too!!

[tomder55]

The affected minority is the only difference in this case, but to many it makes no difference

There is a huge difference between not serving homosexuals and not being compelled to participate in a ceremony that one has religious objections to. Stop trying to blur the distinction I already told you that there is a difference between not selling a cake to a homosexual because that person is a homosexual (which would meet your definition of discrimination ) and being forced to provide a "wedding " cake for that person's wedding . If you can compel the baker to do that then you can just as easily compel a minister to perform the service .
Tell me something . Do you think a Christian adoption service should be required to adopt a child to a homosexual couple despite their objection ?