[speechlesstx]

I never said anything about racism, but the assassination angle is real, we've shown that here.

Because one former right-wing evangelical says so and ex notes a rise in death threats, you can connect all of that to this verse. Talk about grasping at straws. If that's the kind of evidence we have to use against KSM we're in trouble.

You spoke up about the Bush images when they surfaced, we're talking about this now as it surfaces. No one here ever said that they condone the Bush images, if fact we had nothing to do with them, you just dig up the worst you can find and attribute it to us agreeing with it - we don't.

You assume way too much and give way too little credit. It has nothing to do with trying to attribute it to you agreeing with it, it's about demonstrating how ludicrous this 'outrage' and imagined threat is - especially in light of the FACTS of the previous 8 years.

[NeedKarma]

Because one former right-wing evangelical says so

No because the psalm they use says so.

[ETWolverine]

I never said anything about racism, but the assassination angle is real, we've shown that here. You spoke up about the Bush images when they surfaced, we're talking about this now as it surfaces. No one here ever said that they condone the Bush images, if fact we had nothing to do with them, you just dig up the worst you can find and attribute it to us agreeing with it - we don't.

You are quite right. Assassination is a very real threat. In order to assess that threat and where the threat comes from, we should look at historical assassinations and assassination attempts of US Presidents.

Abraham Lincoln was assassinated by John Wilkes Booth, a DEMOCRAT and Confedereate sympathizer.

James Garfield was assassinated by Charles Guiteau, a former supporter and frustrated wannabe politician.

William MicKinley was assassinated by Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist and far-left winger.

John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Ozwald, a leftist/marxist socialist.

Of the four successful presidential assasinations in our history, 3 were carried out by Democrats or left-wingers.

Of the FAILED attempts to assassinate US presidents:

Andrew Jackson survived an attempted assassination by Richard Lawrence. Lawrence was a pro-British sympathizer and was probably insane due to exposure to chemicals while painting.

Abraham Lincoln survived an attempted assassination by Confederate plotters in the Baltimore Plot.

Teddy Rooseveld survived an attempted assassination by far-right-winger, John F. Schrank.

Harry Truman survived an attempted assassination by Puerto Rican independence activist and marxist Oscar Collazo.

JFK survived an assassination attempt by Richard Paul Pavlic, a liberal, anti-government, anti-christian leftist.

Richard Nixon survived an assassination attempt by Samuel Byck, an anti-government activist and anarchist who believed that government was conspiring to oppress the poor.

Gerald Ford survived an assassination attempt by Lynette "squeeky" Fromme, a leftist anarchist and member of the "Manson Family".

Jimmy Carter survived a coordinated assassination attempt by a Mexican leftist assassination team.

Ronald Reagan survived being shot by John Hinkley Jr... a certified loon with no particular political leaning that I can discern.

George H. W. Bush survived an assassination attempt by Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

Bill Clinton survived an assassination attempt by Frank Eugene Corder, another nut-case with no particular political leaning that I can discern, who was just in it for the publicity.

George Bush survived an attempt by Robert Picket, an leftist nut-case who had written letters to the President naming several grievances regarding his employment.

Bush survived another possible attempt on the morning of 9-11 at 6 AM before the plains hit, when several Middle Eastern men attempted to get close to the president, but were turned away.

Bush survived a THIRD attempt when leftist Vladamir Artyunian threw a live hand grenade at him during a visit to Tbilisi, Georgia.

Of the 14 unsuccessful confirmed attempts to assasinate a President, 9 were by leftists or leftist sympathizers. ONE was from a confirmed right winger.

Evidence would seem to indicate that the major threat of assassination comes from the LEFT, not the right.

Elliot

[speechlesstx]

No because the psalm they use says so.

We're not the ones taking the verse literally, the fears expressed over this are utterly irrational and asinine. No one killed Bush over a sign that said "death to to extremist Christian terrorist pig-Bush," we're supposed to believe this bumper sticker is going to drive someone to assassinate Obama? Dude, as with ex I'd welcome you back to reality.

[inthebox]

EX

I will look into this further, but on the face of it this is a psalm of David. It is very authentic. Who, when being persecuted, does not feel a need for revenge? David openly tells God of his wishes for revenge - a very human emotion. Does David himself actually try to avenge this - to do what he prays for. No, quite the opposite, David in reality walks awy from harming Saul when he had the chance.
David is very clear that he leaves everything to God AND, despite the bad circumstances, believes in, and praises God.

I think it is a good thing that we can come to God in prayer and just let loose and vent, rather than run away from God and try to do what we may feel is right to us.


G&P

[NeedKarma]

You are quite right. Assasination is a very real threat. In order to assess that threat blah blah blah

Thanks for all your work but it's irrelevant.

[tomder55]

In ,thanks ,

All day I attempted to write the true context of the psalm but I could not get the words right . Clearly the psalm itself was being taken out of context. David felt himself the vicitim of accusers and rather taken things into his own hands he cryed out in frustration for God for retribution . I still didn't say it right so I'll end this right here.

[paraclete]

Ex I only quoted 8

Rest assured when I quote Judges 15:16 I'm not really threatening to beat you to death with the jawbone of an a$$ .

Tom you should know better, don't you know words have power

[paraclete]

More insults. You having a bad day?

NK he is insulting himself

[paraclete]

In ,thanks ,

all day I attempted to write the true context of the psalm but I could not get the words right . Clearly the psalm itself was being taken out of context. David felt himself the vicitim of accusers and rather taken things into his own hands he cryed out in frustration for God for retribution . I still didn't say it right so I'll end this right here.

How do you take a curse out of context? This David was some seriously disturbed dude, someone had obviously got right up his nose. Here is a guy who went from teenage idol to hunted criminal, traitor to his nation, and still came out on top. I expect you had to be there

[inthebox]

Read 1 and 2 and Samuel to get the historical context.

Not only did David curse, he committed adultery and had her husband killed. Really, he did some evil things, things that we may or will never do. David repented though - Psalm 51.

How merciful is God that he forgives the evil that David did?


G&P

[speechlesstx]

This is now the hot political wear...

[NeedKarma]

Perhaps you want him assassinated?

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Good for you, Steve. THAT is substantially different than,

May his children be wandering beggars; may they be driven from their ruined homes,

Although I doubt you'll see the distinction.

excon

[NeedKarma]

Well it's well known here that he has a deep seated hatred for the man and he chose this thread to post his "opinion" t-shirt...

[speechlesstx]

Perhaps you want him assassinated?

LOL, you are pathetic. It was from a Mediaite story.

Edit: Which makes it a "current event."

[speechlesstx]

Well it's well known here that he has a deep seated hatred for the man and he chose this thread to post his "opinion" t-shirt....

Damn you're good. Wrong, but you have a good imagination.

[speechlesstx]

It seems The One is a more fitting moniker than we thought:

Why Thank You, Your Lordship [Kevin D. Williamson]

President Obama welcomed Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to the White House with words that have inspired snickers in New Delhi:

"Yours is the first official state visit of my presidency, its fitting that you and India be so recognised," 48-year-old Obama told the 77-year-old Indian leader.

The general reaction in India has been: Who the heck does this guy think he is? Note to the Great Diplomat: When you do a head of state an honor, you don't remind him, in public, of the fact that you have done him an honor, particularly in self-aggrandizing terms of this sort.

I cannot imagine Dr. Singh responding to Obama: "I am the first state visitor of your presidency, and it is fitting that you and the United States be so recognized. Especially considering that I have the guts to stand up to the Chinese from time to time, while you're basically groveling and praying that they don't decide to divest their dollar holdings. Did I mention our 7 percent economic growth, compared to your ... 3 percent, 3.5? Now, what did you want to talk about?"

In honor of Obama's self-recognized greatness I offer a different verse of scripture, Exekiel 28:2.

[tomder55]

I'm actually pleased that the President held the banquet yesterday. He was close to blowing all the hard work that President Bush did to establish good relations between our 2 countries . He should've visited India during his recent trip .

Unfortunately his bumbling attempt at greeting the PM disguises a deeper problem.The problems have resulted from Richard Holbrooke thinking that his mission includes a resolution to the Kashmir issue. He has been pushy .
If courted properly India has influence and can be a deal maker in the Afghanistan theater . India is the regional "super power" ;not Pakistan ;not Iran. They could be a valuable asset in things like training a national security force in Afghanistan.
Partnering with India in the region is a no brainer. It should've happened a long time ago.

[galveston]

What a pity that we have so much PC that no one can enjoy a joke anymore.

Like the very funny commercial that was pulled because it might offend Italians.

We must not offend gays, black folks, hispanics, Muslims, various asian groups, etc.

It is, however OK to offend, even bash, Christians and conservatives.

Relax. Enjoy a joke even if it is at your own expense. Get a life.