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Wondergirl · Jul 9, 2009, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by ETWolverine

First of all, how impatient were you when Bush was elected in 2000?

I'm a Republican and gave Bush every hope to succeed. Plus, he's a good-looking guy :).

President Obama is not a socialist, and is not leading our government into socialism. If you say that, you do not know what socialism is.

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 09:48 AM

Here's some more stimulus nonsense and another Obama jewel in his promise of ending the influence and corruption in Washington, he's spending $18 million on redesigning the Recovery website. The contract went to some Steny Hoyer contributors.

$18 million for a website??

Additionally, "Counties that supported Obama last year have reaped twice as much money per person from the administration’s $787 billion economic stimulus package as those that voted for his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain, a USA TODAY analysis of government disclosure and accounting records shows. That money includes aid to repair military bases, improve public housing and help students pay for college."

No worries though, "There's no politics at work when it comes to spending for the recovery," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says.

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 11:46 AM

And yeah, it's still early on...

ETWolverine · Jul 9, 2009, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I'm a Republican and gave Bush every hope to succeed. Plus, he's a good-looking guy :).

President Obama is not a socialist, and is not leading our government into socialism. If you say that, you do not know what socialism is.

Sociaslism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. (Socialism. (n.d.). The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition.)

To repeat:

Obama has taken control of ten of the top 12 banks in the USA
Obama has taken control of 2 of the top 3 car companies in the USA
Obama has taken control of the largest insurance company in the USA
Obama is attempting to take control of the health care system
The House passed the Cap & Trade bill, which regulates and controls industry

In what way is this NOT socialism. If the government substantially owns and controls the auto industry including it's methods of production and distribution, the banks and the methods by which they provide services, the largest insurance company and the methods by which it provides services, and controls the rules under which industry produces it products and health companies deliver their services, how is that NOT socialism?

If you can possibly say that What Obama is doing isn't socialism, then it seems pretty clear to me that you don't know what socialism is. Because what Obama is doing is the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of socialism.

Elliot

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 12:59 PM

My last post (And yeah, it's still early on... ) originally had an image from the latest Rassmussen poll. I don't know what happened to it, but hopefully here it is again...

Wondergirl · Jul 9, 2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Obama has taken control of ten of the top 12 banks in the USA
Obama has taken control of 2 of the top 3 car companies in the USA
Obama has taken control of the largest insurance company in the USA
Obama is attempting to take control of the health care system
The House passed the Cap & Trade bill, which regulates and controls industry

Temporarily, not permanently. Big difference.

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Temporarily, not permanently. Big difference.

He's only temporarily taking control of the health care system and Cap & Trade?

Wondergirl · Jul 9, 2009, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

He's only temporarily taking control of the health care system and Cap & Trade?

As a "socialistic" move.

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 01:39 PM

Wondergirl, your signature suggestions reminded me of a recent Huffpo blog that suggested some fresh ideas for Obama's service project. "Organize a canned food drive at work," "Join local teachers in protesting budget cuts" and "Film a documentary about a local subject." Protesting and filming documentaries are 2 of the first things that come to mind to serve others? How pathetic, lol.

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

As a "socialistic" move.

So we're headed for a "temporary" socialism?

ETWolverine · Jul 9, 2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Temporarily, not permanently. Big difference.

Really? How do you know that?

This is the same President who refused to take back TARP money when offered by the banks because it would take them out of government control. That doesn't sound very "temporary" to me. It sounds like a guy trying to hang on to the power he has grabbed.

Nationalizing health care... is that also supposed to be "temporary"? Is Cap & Trade a temporary law?

This isn't TEMPORARY socialism Wondergirl, and the sooner you wake up to that fact, the sooner you will realize what is really going on here.

Elliot

ETWolverine · Jul 9, 2009, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

As a "socialistic" move.

Are you really so blind? Can you not see that this is Obama's big chance to grab as much as he can and NEVER let it go?

There is nothing temporary about his nationalization of these companies. Even if he de-nationalizies the banks, he's going to create so many banking regulations that the government will still be in de-facto control of them anyway. It will still be government control of the banks through regulatory authority. Ditto for AIG and the Auto companies.

And he'll never give up control of health care once he has it. Cap & Trade is a fate accompli in perpetuity if we're not careful.

There is nothing temporary about it. This is PERMANENT damage he's doing.

Elliot

Wondergirl · Jul 9, 2009, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by ETWolverine

Are you really so blind? Can you not see that this is Obama's big chance to grab as much as he can and NEVER let it go?

There is nothing temporary about his nationalization of these companies. Even if he de-nationalizies the banks, he's going to create so many banking regulations that the government will still be in de-facto control of them anyway. It will still be government control of the banks through regulatory authority. Ditto for AIG and the Auto companies.

And he'll never give up control of health care once he has it. Cap & Trade is a fate accompli in perpetuity if we're not careful.

There is nothing temporary about it. This is PERMANENT damage he's doing.

Elliot

Naw. Relax. It will all be okay. Ssssshhhhh, go to sleep now. Lalalalalalalalalala...

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Naw. Relax. It will all be okay. Ssssshhhhh, go to sleep now. Lalalalalalalalalala........

Can you get any more condescending?

galveston · Jul 9, 2009, 02:17 PM

That's the problem now, girl.

The American public has been asleep for far too long already!

speechlesstx · Jul 9, 2009, 03:05 PM

Speaking of asleep, it sure sounds like the administration hopes we are.

Carol Browner, former Clinton administration EPA head and current Obama White House climate czar, instructed auto industry execs "to put nothing in writing, ever" regarding secret negotiations she orchestrated regarding a deal to increase federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-WI, is demanding a congressional investigation of Browner's conduct in the Café talks, saying in a letter to Rep. Henry Waxman, D-CA, that Browner "intended to leave little or no documentation of the deliberations that lead to stringent new CAFE standards."

Federal law requires officials to preserve documents concerning significant policy decisions, so instructing participants in a policy negotiation concerning a major federal policy change could be viewed as a criminal act.

More hope and change from the most transparent administration ever. If this true Browner needs to be gone... now.

Wondergirl · Jul 9, 2009, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Can you get any more condescending?

I was trying to be funny.

450donn · Jul 9, 2009, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I was trying to be funny.

Sadly it is not funny! Far too many people have been lulled into a stupor by the smoke and mirrors put forth in the last 18 or so months by the democratic party. Pretty faces only go so far and if the latest polls in Ohio are to be believed at least some people are finally waking up. Even though it is too late for a lot of aspects of this country that we used to take for granted.

lshadylady · Jul 10, 2009, 02:24 AM

There have been changes we don't want for longer than 18 months. Our mind set is "What is the Government going to do about it" or "Why doesn't the Government stop them?" Seems like we are asking for the Government to run our lives.We are mostly adults, why do we need government to tell us right and wrong decisions. If there is no law against it we just keep on doing it until we destroy ourselves. For instance, we have to have laws to tell us not to use contaminated water in our water bottles, Not to run sewers and garbage into our streams and rivers, Don't sell the medication that might kill people. Be clean about food preparation for the public. No, The government has to pass an enforcible law before we'll stop and do it right and then we can blame the government for not doing it sooner.

Wondergirl · Jul 10, 2009, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by 450donn

Sadly it is not funny! Far too many people have been lulled into a stupor by the smoke and mirrors put forth in the last 18 or so months by the democratic party. Pretty faces only go so far and if the latest polls in Ohio are to be believed at least some people are finally waking up. Even though it is too late for a lot of aspects of this country that we used to take for granted.

We gave Bush two years. Be as gracious for Obama.