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    Nov 27, 2007, 09:20 AM
    Communism is creeping into Latin America
    While the world media is watching the mid-east, communism is creeping into Latin America, thanks to Cuba and Chavez. This coming Sunday’s vote may even bring it to a “surge” in that direction. "He who says he supports Chavez but votes 'no' is a traitor, a true traitor," so says Chavez. That sounds like a dangerous threat to me, whether the “Si” votes are in the majority. On the positive side, defection of his former Defense Minister Gen. Raul Baduel, a longtime ally. Other allies have defected from the Chavista movement in recent months, even some Podemos.

    Give this man the power to shut down Venezuelan newspapers, television and radio stations by declaring a state of emergency, and detain citizens without charges during such a period and a lot of ‘no’ voters are going to disappear.

    Do you think Chavez will get the majority of votes for his socialistic change?
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    Nov 27, 2007, 09:49 AM
    Yes , I think the vote will be rigged for him to win despite the continued erosion of support (the slide began I believe when Juan Carlos told Chavez to shut up).

    Those who cast the Votes, they decide nothing. Those who count the votes, they decide everything. (Stalin)

    My question is :will Jimmy Carter be there to give it his stamp of approval and thus certifying the votes legitimacy.



    What is really sick and perverse about the carnival of Stalinists in Latin America is their perverse grabbing of the mantle of Simon Bolivar . Not only in Venezuela ,but also in Bolivia the thugs are finding tremendous resistance . Evo Morales like Cavez is trying to "overhaul" the constitution . That has resulted in riots.

    Sean Penn is planning on going there this weekend so he can call the vote legit



    The Mahdi-hatter is financing the vote

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    Nov 27, 2007, 11:48 AM
    All good dictators find a way to get their way.

    Any way we can convince Sean and Jimmy to stay there? After all, Sean said he went there "looking for a great country" and he "found a great country." Naomi Campbell told Chavez she was "amazed to see the love and encouragement for the social programs that you have here for women and children" - just after thousands and thousands protested his latest grab for power.

    It seems the left has found their example for what a great, compassionate country should look like, just ask them.

    My question is, are the Democratic candidates saying anything about this? If so, what?
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    Nov 27, 2007, 01:33 PM
    Yes, he will get a majority of the votes, just as Saddam Hussein got 98% of the vote in a 2002 election in Iraq, and Ahmadinejad got 100% of the vote during a 2005 election in Iran.
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    Nov 27, 2007, 05:40 PM
    Venezuela is a member of OPEC...

    ... to reiterate a parody of a famous political expression, "It's the oil, stupid"!
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    Nov 27, 2007, 06:00 PM
    Should finish my point lest some may miss it... and accompanied by poverty, it is ripe for takeover by a dictator of any so-called political affiliation.
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    Nov 28, 2007, 04:40 AM
    Chavez knows he is losing this referendum so he is going to try to stir up trouble with Colombia to rally the people behind an external enemy. President Uribe of Colombia has told Chavez his services are no longer needed to negotiate for the release of hostages that leftist FARC terrorist have taken. Chavez called for "regime change " in Colombia and has recalled the ambassador .

    Harry Reid is in the area now so I imagine he will do his own brand of ad-hoc alternative US foreign policy .
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    Nov 28, 2007, 08:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    Chavez knows he is losing this referendum so he is going to try to stir up trouble with Colombia to rally the people behind an external enemy. President Uribe of Colombia has told Chavez his services are no longer needed to negotiate for the release of hostages that leftist FARC terrorist have taken. Chavez called for "regime change " in Colombia and has recalled the ambassador .

    Harry Reid is in the area now so I imagine he will do his own brand of ad-hoc alternative US foreign policy .
    Yeah, Chavez broke his word to Uribe.

    Yeah, take a look at the latest polls on the referendum…

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    Nov 30, 2007, 12:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    While the world media is watching the mid-east, communism is creeping into Latin America, thanks to Cuba and Chavez. This coming Sunday’s vote may even bring it to a “surge” in that direction. "He who says he supports Chavez but votes 'no' is a traitor, a true traitor," so says Chavez. That sounds like a dangerous threat to me, whether or not the “Si” votes are in the majority. On the positive side, defection of his former Defense Minister Gen. Raul Baduel, a longtime ally. Other allies have defected from the Chavista movement in recent months, even some Podemos.

    Give this man the power to shut down Venezuelan newspapers, television and radio stations by declaring a state of emergency, and detain citizens without charges during such a period and a lot of ‘no’ voters are going to disappear.

    Do you think Chavez will get the majority of votes for his socialistic change?
    Dear Sir,

    I believe that communism has already been in Latin America for some time now. I don't mean to disagree with you that it is 'creeping into Latin America,' however I will think that America has know how to deal with the communistic regime.
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    Dec 3, 2007, 05:39 AM
    Update . It is being reported that Chavez lost the referendum. Danny Glover , Sean Penn ,and the congressional Democrats have sent their condolences .
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    Dec 3, 2007, 09:06 AM
    Yes... Venezuela rejects authoritarianism. It's a historic day. The myth of Chavez-the-invincible is no more.
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    Dec 3, 2007, 09:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by nawhem
    Dear Sir,

    I believe that communism has already been in Latin America for some time now. I don't mean to disagree with you that it is 'creeping into Latin America,' however I will think that America has know how to deal with the communistic regime.
    Where?
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    Dec 3, 2007, 12:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dark_crow
    Where?
    I agree. Until Che Chavez came along, it was fairly clear that communism in South America was on the wane. Chavez is really the only guy in South America pushing a communist agenda. In fact, both Chile and Nicaragua (which is actually Central American) gave up communism for capitalism years ago. So where is the long-standing communism that Nawhem is speaking of?

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    Dec 3, 2007, 04:45 PM
    So who guess right? Anyone?
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    Dec 3, 2007, 04:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by parttime
    so who guess right? anyone?
    Nope:)

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