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Passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that...

No, it is not true.

If this were true, common sense would dictate that the Holy Father would lead by example... and this has not been the case:

Well, that's just it... it's only the "appearance" of flesh... since angels are by nature, fleshless.

I imagine they appear in whatever form is "best" to assist their mission.

"When angels,...

Just FYI:

Canon 1251
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday....

Hope this might help answer a few questions:


Angel Pages

*yawn*

Come on... you've got to give up on this... it works the first time, but then you've got to actually start discussing the thread topics.

I'm still wondering if you can provide some...

De Maria !!!!!
De Maria !!!!!
De Maria !!!!!
De Maria !!!!!

Hope that finally got your attention.:D
Third request:


Both.

You've don't seem to have an open mind about this... I doubt any evidence contrary to your pre-conceived assumptions would do any good.

And it's always quite amusing to me when I hear the "wealth"...

When you only read anti-Catholic apologetics, some of the real history of the Christian faith slips through the cracks... :(

OOOH can I play too!

I do!

I'm saved by grace through my faith in Jesus Christ... how about you?:D

Until when?

Hebrews wasn't used in the West (by those non-denominational Christians) for two hundred years... and the East with Revelation for some 800 years... so I'm not sure when YOU believe...

I'm just wondering where you discerned your information about history from...

I agree... but I'm still wondering if you can provide some examples of your "bible-only" Christians ----...

Where in the Bible does it describe the beliefs of the 2-4th century Christian church?

So Christian history pre-Constantine should be an accurate representation of orthodox Christian teaching?

I get it... just a group of individuals who practiced a faith similar to what you today would call "Catholic"... I can live with that.

Okey dokey...

Soooo... what "denomination" was around before the 4th century?

Evangelical Protestantism? :confused:

I see a church centered around their Bishops... who shared a sacred meal of...

Aren't all denominations part of that body of Christ?

*cough* *cough*... :D


Both.

I'm surprised that you would suggest otherwise... Tradition without Scripture is WORTHLESS (not to mention logically impossible).

Hoping you'd clear this up...

We're discussing what happened AFTER the birth of Jesus (Thread title: Why was Mary called the "EVER virgin").

Both.

I'm surprised that you would suggest otherwise... Tradition without Scripture is WORTHLESS (not to mention logically impossible).

:confused:

I understand why you believe this.

You at least have to admire the consistency!

If you are interested, I suggest looking into some Christians who came before your son and lived lives of heroic virtue: Saints Index - J

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I was hoping you'd actually be able to form a cogent statement... childish quips do little to move along a discussion.

Any your reasoning for this is..

What does this have to do with Matt 20:25-26?

The question at hand is not a matter of "titles" but an explanation that the Pope is not the "master" of the Gospel, but its servant...

He is... the proper title for the Pope is "Servant of the Servants of God"... but either way, one out of context verse can not disprove anything.

Interesting that the Bible can't seem to speak for itself with you two... ;)

Jesus is eternal... there was never a time in history where he "was not".

I as well...

That's up to you.;)

I would like to finally hear what you point was about Jerome... and if you found my comments about the "camel dance" helpful at all.

For the record, I'm just a DRE... not a...

So?

You too? Wow... they are more and more of them these days... I have some questions I need some help with, I'll send you a PM later if I remember.

Again, I understand your objection... but...

Again, I agree in principle... but I use the term for the same reason the early Church did: it helps define a truth about Jesus ----> that he is God incarnate.

You do believe Jesus was/is God...

Hey, I respect your right to use whatever terms you are comfortable with... but most people I chat with are educated enough to understand what Theotokos means:

Jesus was/is God... Mary was/is his...

I remember, but to attack the teaching, it might be a good idea to actually try to refute the ACTUAL teaching instead of attacking a straw man.

I still don't understand what the "second error"...

Just FYI:

Adoption at the Third Ecumenical Council As a title for the Virgin Mary, Theotokos was recognized by the Orthodox Church at Third Ecumenical Council held at Ephesus in 431. It had...

I'm not sure if you're trying to be respectful or just a jerk... if it is the former, please know I don't expect you to do anything other than what pleases you.

If it is the latter, feel free to...

Amen... and this leads me to believe the confusion about this is mainly a matter of "language"... as I doubt anyone other than the most rabid OSAS'er would claim that we can't even turn away from our...

Granted... but appreciating for God's plan does not mean that we must try to force additional meaning upon the role of Mary, and certainly not at the expense of the truth about our Lord.

Even our...

... and this is blasphemy.

Christ did not NEED Mary to be anything...

Looking forward to chatting after you gather your thoughts.

I'm not sure what I'm looking for on those sites... they don't declare that Mary MUST have been anything or else Christ could not save us... or anything even close from what I skimmed over.

The...

My only point is that Jesus could not be "contaminated" by sin... it's not possible... even if Mary was not a virgin... even if Mary was not immaculate... NOTHING would have changed.

I'm...

How so? Discussions of Mary's virginity eventually came to examine Mary's virginity during three periods: ante partum (i.e. before the birth of Christ); in partu (i.e. during the delivery of...

On the money as usual Joe.

While Mr. Wilson's statement certainly was true in years past, I do think the last 100 years or so has lead to a profound appreciation and emphasis on Biblical...

Just FYI:

From the Lutheran Church MS website:

Q. I've heard that Martin Luther believed in Mary's immaculate conception, in her perpetual virginity and in praying to her. Is this how Lutherans...

Yep... and I work for the Church... and teach adults and children about the Catholic faith.

Hehe... I'm a convert to the Church... and it took me a LONG time to figure out what the heck was going...

The problem is, the first statement is false.

The quote from the Catholic Alamanac, however, is true... but all that is saying is that if a person who KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS that the Catholic...

I got to say that I agree...

I'm all for being "humble" and all... but a saving faith in Jesus Christ should CERTAINLY give you some assurance of your salvation.

The Holy Spirit has been given...

HUH?

So you have to be a "loyal" member of the Catholic Church or you don't go to heaven? :confused:

Please clarify... because your posts seems to be TOTALLY against the teachings of the...

I'm speaking of the Catholic Church in this case... sorry I wasn't clear on that.