If Jesus was born to a human woman and lived as a human and then died and was then of spirit... where did his body go? If anyone else died and left their body behind it would take years to decompose... so where is Jesus' body...

Fr_Chuck

May I remind both sides, this is not the Christian thread, it is in a religious discussion area, and as such there is more room to be open on comments as long as they are not overly offensive or attacking a member directly. So for the christian posters, non christians have a right to thier beleifs ( even if you believe ** yes I used your word Crev) that they are not correct. In this type of forum, those of Islam, those of vodoo or the cookie monster religion all have equal rights to thier view.

I may suggest that you cut and paste the other persons questions less, and merely give you ideas and opinons on the subject to give less since that you are personally attacking or going at a general poster, and give more general answers to the basic subject line.

tawnynkids

Champ here is a site that may provide the answers to some "Christian questions" you have.
BIBLE STUDY MANUALS

Credendovidis

Ok, champ! Only problem is that De Maria seems to have too much of time at his/her hands with all these long drawn out lines of comment, while I have a real off-line life to live also!

sassyT

[quote]Hey Credo those are your BELIEFS Not Facts. You believe jesus did not ascend into heaven and you believe Christianity is not Truth. Again those are YOUR BELIEFS. You have no 100% evidence to prove that Jesus did not ascend into heaven but you believe it anyway. Which means your beliefs are not based on any factual evidence but rather are based on FAITH. So the bottom line is Christians have believe that Jesus ascended into heaven by Faith and YOU believe he didnt BY FAITH.

Do you have any objective evidence to prove otherwise?


Good, i am glad you realise that your opinion and BELIEFS are just as much base on faith as any Christian's.

sassyT

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Do you have any subjective data or statistics to prove this claim? or is this just your BELIEF?


lol Credo, for someone who has said quite are large amount of unsupported claims, you sure do have a lot of nerve for asking poeple to provide objective evidence. What objective evidence have you provided us for your beliefs? You keep saying "objective evidence......." yet you done nothing but make unsupported claims.
If you believe there is no God and Jesus never died and rose again that is your BELIEF based on FAITH not facts.

achampio21

Thank you tawnynkids!! I love the sites all of you give me. They all have different ways of explaining things!!!

And to the rest of you... I am a very unserious person (if that isn't a word I made it one for now) and I dont' want anyone getting flamed on my behalf or anything. I just had some questions and I knew that the awesome people on this site would answer them for me or at least try too!! So thank you to EVERYONE even if you were being sarcastic towards me or thought I was a blatant idiot. I enjoy this site and I kind of in a weird way feel like everyone here is a "friend" and the best part is I don't have to worry about any of you showing up at my doorstep hoping for a place to crash!!! LOL!!!

But I also know that people believe very hard core in their own beliefs and take them VERY seriiously which is pretty cool. And I would defend my own beliefs to the death no matter what too. So I guess all I am saying is paly fair, be nice, and have fun. But remember that you may feel very strongly about something but someone out there feels very strongly about something too!!! And I wouldn't take things personal. I mean after all no one on this site really knows everything about everyone. So you may be "attacking" someone that just had a serious issue in their life and you don't even know it.

But thanks again everyone!! And keep teaching me!! I love learning!!!! Even if I do look like an idiot when it's all over with!!! LOL!!!

Just one more thing...

I looked up the definitions to the words belief and faith and here is what I discovered....

Faith can refer to a religion, or to belief in one or more deities. It has two general implications which can be implied either exclusively or mutually:
To trust:
Believing a certain variable will act or has the potential to act a specific way despite the potential influence and probability of known or unknown change.
To have faith that one's spouse will keep a promise or commitment.
To have faith that the world will someday be peaceful.
To have faith that a person will pay you back.
To have faith in one's full dependence on the will of supernatural forces or deities.
To believe without reason:
Believing impulsively, or believing based upon social traditions or personal hopes.
In either case, faith is based upon the interpretation of the intangible (feelings, emotions, etc.) instead of the physically tangible and is primarily associated with religion in modern times.

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual is convinced of the truth or validity of a proposition or premise (argument). Belief does not necessarily confer the ability to adequately prove one's main contention to other people, who may disagree.

So I guess my point is this. It doesn't matter what you beleive in. And you DON'T have to PROVE anything about that belief to ANYBODY. You know why? Because it really only matters to YOU if the cookie monster is real or God is real. And if someone else doesn't believe they are real, they don't HAVE to PROVE why they aren't real. Because it really only matters to them. When the end of your life comes and you beleive in the tooth fairy it really only matters to you if she is going to take you to her tooth mansion in the sky or if this person that believes in God is going to be taken to Heaven. Because the only person that is going to know what happens is YOU!! So you see, belief and faith don't need proof. Because no matter what someone will ALWAYS question those facts or opinions or whatever. SO my response would be this...

I don't agree with what you believe in, I believe this way.
And the other person should be like okay.

BUT on the other hand... arguing is fun sometimes too when it is harmless. AND it IS an awesome stress reliever!!!

ordinaryguy

Pretty amazing, isn't it. I wonder what makes it it worth the trouble?

Credendovidis

All what I stated refer to unsupported religious claims.

There is no objective supported evidence for the claim that "jesus did ascend into heaven.
There is no objective supported evidence for the claim that "Christianity is true".

I do not have to provide proof for the (negative) claim that "Jesus did not ascend into heaven". The burden of proof is on the (positive) claim that "Jesus did ascend into heaven".

You seem to need a course in logical thinking.

Ciao !

Curlyben

Closed by OP's request as this has drift completely away from the original point.

Question Closed