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Old May 31, 2008, 10:42 AM
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Where did his body go?

If Jesus was born to a human woman and lived as a human and then died and was then of spirit... where did his body go? If anyone else died and left their body behind it would take years to decompose... so where is Jesus' body...

 
     

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Old Jun 1, 2008, 04:41 PM   #11  
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... I am not sking for proof just thoughts!! I and everyone else believe differently and I am just a curious person that wants to know everyone elses views!
Sorry dear for calling you a "he". Humble apologies hereby offered!

As to your new point : the problem is that people only reply to such fundamental questions from their own worldview. A Christian will reply as per his or her Christian views, just as a Muslim will reply as per Muslim views, a Jew as per Jewish views, and a Secular Humanist as per humanistic views.

Personally I like your position. You accept and believe in a higher power, but without any linking to any human created religion or church organisation. You are therefore a deist.
A sound decision that excludes all that religious squabbling about who believes "correctly" and has "the one and only truth".
The only problem is that your acceptance of a higher power on itself is also a submission to something for which there is no objective supporting evidence, but is based on some human created "god". Just one more step, and you are a true humanist also ...

As to your point "God gave us the intelligence to use ..." :
If there is a God, and that god gave that to humanity, than he/she would like us to use that capacity to the fullest, and exclude niches involving deities and worshipping of deities, while perhaps exclude the capacity to hurt others in any possible way.

The reality of life is that intelligence came with our need to be better and smarter , and to have an edge on others, and gain from that capacity, and therefore to use that intelligence at the expense of others. Humans are just smart apes, with a thin layer of ethical veneer that is only microns thick. That is why there are wars, hurt, and pain.
Your "American dream" is based on that edge to be better than others, and lift yourself above the average.

For me that shows that deities do not exist, but it is up to everyone to draw his or her own decision!

 
 
     
 
 
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Personally I like your position. You accept and believe in a higher power, but without any linking to any human created religion or church organisation. You are therefore a deist.
A sound decision that excludes all that religious squabbling about who believes "correctly" and has "the one and only truth".
The only problem is that your acceptance of a higher power on itself is also a submission to something for which there is no objective supporting evidence, but is based on some human created "god". Just one more step, and you are a true humanist also ...

I guess i never really thought of me believing in a higher power being because society has created that belief. But I do see your point. If the thought of a higher power had never been planted into my mind would I have ever believed in it?... I doubt it.. but I also have these two things that make me a firm believer in a higher power...

Do you feel emotion? Love, joy, sadness, pain... Yes of course you do. If not then I am very sorry But my point is this what proof is there of emotion other than feeling? NONE!! there is proof of REACTIONS to feelings but none of feelings themselves. So I ask you how do you know are happy? You FEEL it. How do you know you are sad? Because you FEEL it.

Also my other is the fact that I have given birth to 3 beautiful children. And I realize that sperm and egg join together and then the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterus and so then begins the process of new life... but after the nine months is over and the mood swings and the hard labor and the pushing is over I was OVERWHELMED with such an intense feeling of ... I can't even give it a title because it can't be described. I mean holding a baby that grew inside my very own body and is alive only because I fed him/her and basically allowed him/her to live was so amazing that I don't think I could EVER doubt some higher power. I mean do you really think I as a woman who has given birth 3 times could credit a mere man with that kind of amazing power!!!! ( no offense intended )

But yes I agree with your thoughts. I have no idea what the definition of a deist or humanist is.. if you care to take the time to enlighten me I would be delighted. But I think how I think and I am always open to others ideas!!!
 
 
     
 
 
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Also my other is the fact that I have given birth to 3 beautiful children. And I realize that sperm and egg join together and then the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterus and so then begins the process of new life... but after the nine months is over and the mood swings and the hard labor and the pushing is over I was OVERWHELMED with such an intense feeling of ... I can't even give it a title because it can't be described. I mean holding a baby that grew inside my very own body and is alive only because I fed him/her and basically allowed him/her to live was so amazing that I don't think I could EVER doubt some higher power. I mean do you really think I as a woman who has given birth 3 times could credit a mere man with that kind of amazing power!!!! ( no offense intended )
That was beautiful!
I just had to tell you that was a beautiful thought.


Mere man cannot accomplish such feats without an Almighty.
 
 
     
 
 
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Also my other is the fact that I have given birth to 3 beautiful children. And I realize that sperm and egg join together and then the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterus and so then begins the process of new life... but after the nine months is over and the mood swings and the hard labor and the pushing is over I was OVERWHELMED with such an intense feeling of ... I can't even give it a title because it can't be described. I mean holding a baby that grew inside my very own body and is alive only because I fed him/her and basically allowed him/her to live was so amazing that I don't think I could EVER doubt some higher power.
I'm a guy, we have 2 children, I have the same feelings for my children as you do. I'm atheist by the way so in my case it has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with loving my kids.
 
 
     
 
 
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I'm a guy, we have 2 children, I have the same feelings for my children as you do. I'm atheist by the way so in my case it has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with loving my kids.
First of all I meant no affense to "men" in particular. Simply mankind as a whole.

And I don't know much about atheist except that they don't believe in a "god". But my question is this...

If you don't believe in a higher power, and like I said I am not familiar with your belief, then how do you believe is the way in how we got here? I am simply curious.

And I have no doubt that you love your kids, I was simply stating that in my own PERSONAL experience it made me believe even more in my God. You believe how you want.

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That was beautiful!
I just had to tell you that was a beautiful thought.


Mere man cannot accomplish such feats without an Almighty.
Thank you firmbeliever. It was a moment of tears, laughter, pain, and pretty much every single emotion you could ever feel that is good wrapped up into one amazing moment. That's about the best description I can give it.
 
 
     
 
 
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If you don't believe in a higher power, and like I said I am not familiar with your belief, then how do you believe is the way in how we got here? I am simply curious.
Other than my parents made me, I don't think about some guy in the sky waving his hand and all life appeared. I don't sit around and wonder where we all came from, I go out and live life and share living with others. Life isn't that complicated in my world; I control my life.
 
 
     
 
 
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interesting.

Then I am curious. If you believe that YOU control your own life, how do cope when a tornado that YOU didn't create rips your house to shreds?
 
 
     
 
 
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That's weather related: cold fronts, warm fronts, high pressure, low pressure. Do you think every breath of wind is generated by a god?
 
 
     
 
 
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Look. I am not being a sarcastic a**. I am seriously curious about what others think!!
I did a google search on religions and found over 50 different types of religions!! I found out that there is even a "religion' called Hellinism!! I mean for crying out loud how many different kinds of religion are there!!! And I am extremely curious in those that don't believe in a higher power because I want to know how they think is the way that life was started!

Because just like needkarma did thay avoid my question and give a generalized statement that is degrading to my own belief when I was NEVER degrading to theirs!!

Either people are EXTREMELY sensitive on this topic or they don't even know what they beleive and don't want to talk about it because they themselves are confused.!!

I feel like I am asking the parent of a raped little boy to tell me all the gory details!!!

If you truly believe in it then why is it soo damn hard to talk about it!!!!!!!
 
 
     
 
 
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I'm not sure what set you off here. I simply answered your question. I never degraded your belief.
 
 
     


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