There never was a Jesus? God?

Greg Quinn · Feb 20, 2008, 10:38 PM

I'm an atheist and have been since I was very young. I always had a great argument due to being brought up in a religious home, but never had the answer as to how religion came into play. My friend brought this video over to my house and it seemed a little boring at first, then about ten minutes into it, I realized this may very well be the answer to my question!! I've researched arguments against the facts here and have found none that out weigh the obvious. The thing is, I'm shocked at how it was in my face and every ones face all this time. Please watch this segment and tell me what you think and if you can see another truth. Best regards, Greg Q

Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007

NeedKarma · Feb 22, 2008, 05:12 AM

I hope you don't mind if I throw my $0.02 worth.

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Originally Posted by bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE

...but then decided that if I didn't trust the lord, then I didn't trust myself.

Do you believe in the afterlife? Resserection? Armegadon? Revelations? Ghosts? Entities? Spirits? Souls? I would love to hear your opinion on those!

I trust myself without a lord, it's quite easy, you actually do it everyday as well. I don't believe in afterlife nor ressurection nor armageddon (except that our sun will blow up some day), Revelations...what's that? No ghosts, entities, spirits, souls in my life. Anything you want to know?

bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE · Feb 22, 2008, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I hope you don't mind if I throw my $0.02 worth.

I trust myself without a lord, it's quite easy, you actually do it everyday as well. I don't believe in afterlife nor ressurection nor armageddon (except that our sun will blow up some day), Revelations...what's that? No ghosts, entities, spirits, souls in my life. Anything you want to know?

...lol well that sums it all up for you! Revelations is a prophecy in the bible that is the 'end of the world.' Thank you for your million dollar answer!

Just a quick though, your username is needkarama, why? Karama isn't actually an object, but a belief.

NeedKarma · Feb 22, 2008, 06:07 AM

My answer was worth a million dollars? Cool.

BTW it's not karama but karma. I kind of use this definition:
"All living creatures are responsible for their karma — their actions and the effects of their actions "
Karma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE · Feb 22, 2008, 06:22 AM

So basically, if I do wrong it will come right back at me?

NeedKarma · Feb 22, 2008, 06:32 AM

Not immediately. That used to be the joke about instant karma, you screw someone over and you get hit by a bus 2 minutes later. Hehe.
Nah, I believe that if you do mean things to others it will come back to haunt you.

Greg Quinn · Feb 22, 2008, 06:45 AM

bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE

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Hello Greg,

I, myself, watched the entire clip (yes all 2 hours of it!) and might I say that although there were some good 'pointers' in it, people endlessly try to find excuses not to have faith. Why? Becuase something that is not 'physically' there is unreal. Because you posted this thread, expect to hear the worst. Don't assume that you are going to read what you want to. You asked for opinions; you asked for a discussion and now you are going to get one.

I apologize if I offended your beliefs and do not want to 'argue' over this matter. In my opinion, faith and trust walk in the same shoes. I can understand why it is difficult for most people not to believe something that isn't even there. At one time I did question my beliefs as well, but then decided that if I didn't trust the lord, then I didn't trust myself.

Do you believe in the afterlife? Resserection? Armegadon? Revelations? Ghosts? Entities? Spirits? Souls? I would love to hear your opinion on those!

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I believe in the scientific afterlife, being recycled into the earth. No, I do not believe in resurrection I believe it to be a mislead concept explained very clearly in the documentary as the procession of the equinoxes. I am not a spiritual person at all, so it is a no to the rest of your questions. There is a great difference between trust and faith (contrary to Gerald's views) I have never taken offence to anyone's views against my beliefs. You said that people try to find excuses not to have faith, I find that to be a little insulting, there is a difference between excuses and reasons. In this documentary alone (which was supposed to be the topic) there are a ton of reasons a person would rely on fact based logic and not faith. I have a hard time understanding people who don't understand that.
As for "getting for answers I don't want to hear", my question was watch the movie and I would like to see if you can find problems or flaws within its contents, find a truth other than the one I have come to believe. The majority of the answers in this thread are from people who have not watched the documentary!! No, those are not answers I want to hear. I want to discuss the contents... Not how I came to believe what I believe, or why. I've been getting 2 cent answers from people who either never paid attention to its contents, skimmed through it, or watched the first minute. I am yet to get a discussion of any value.

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BBRUNETTE)Don't assume that you are going to read what you want to. You asked for opinions; you asked for a discussion and now you are going to get one.

Where is it? I just get irrelevant questions, here it is: My beliefs are reflected in part 1 of zeitgeist, that would be the answer to all of your questions. It's that simple, any insults that have been put out [QUOTE BBRUENETTE]Might I say that, umm, people have become brainwashed?[/quote] could come right back at you, considering my beliefs, I could say the same thing. I have not tried to insult anyones beliefs, I belong to other forums where people debate and argue. I ask, what conclusion do you come to after viewing zeitgeist? If I get an answer like " I think its crap" I would want to know why. People are so quick to jump on with one leg but refuse to share the reigns.

bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE · Feb 22, 2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Not immediately. That used to be the joke about instant karma, you screw someone over and you get hit by a bus 2 minutes later. Hehe.
Nah, I believe that if you do mean things to others it will come back to haunt you.

Okay, exactly my point. It is a belief. This said 'karma' is not an actual object you can see, feel or hear so how can you believe in that, but not the lord? I'm sorry if I have offended you with this question

NeedKarma · Feb 22, 2008, 06:53 AM

You haven't offended me at all. The way I view karma is not related to an unseen being in the sky, it's a societal thing. If you are a jerk to everyone then you run the chances of being shunned by people, being alone, etc. If you want to say that it is a belief then I'm fine with that if that makes you feel good.

Dans ta signature tu parle de confiance en soi et d'être heureux avec soi-même avant d'être avec un autre - je crois à ça aussi.

bEaUtIfUlbRuNeTtE · Feb 22, 2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Quinn

I believe in the scientific afterlife, being recycled into the earth. No, I do not believe in resurrection I believe it to be a mislead concept explained very clearly in the documentary as the procession of the equinoxes. I am not a spiritual person at all, so it is a no to the rest of your questions. There is a great difference between trust and faith (contrary to Gerald's views) I have never taken offence to anyone's views against my beliefs. You said that people try to find excuses not to have faith, I find that to be a little insulting, there is a difference between excuses and reasons. In this documentary alone (which was supposed to be the topic) there are a ton of reasons a person would rely on fact based logic and not faith. I have a hard time understanding people who don't understand that.
As for "getting for answers I don't want to hear", my question was watch the movie and I would like to see if you can find problems or flaws within its contents, find a truth other than the one I have come to believe. The majority of the answers in this thread are from people who have not watched the documentary!! No, those are not answers I want to hear. I want to discuss the contents... Not how I came to believe what I believe, or why. I've been getting 2 cent answers from people who either never paid attention to its contents, skimmed through it, or watched the first minute. I am yet to get a discussion of any value. Where is it? I just get irrelevant questions, here it is: My beliefs are reflected in part 1 of zeitgeist, that would be the answer to all of your questions. It's that simple, any insults that have been put out could come right back at you, considering my beliefs, I could say the same thing. I have not tried to insult anyones beliefs, I belong to other forums where people debate and argue. I ask, what conclusion do you come to after viewing zeitgeist? If I get an answer like " I think its crap" I would want to know why. People are so quick to jump on with one leg but refuse to share the reigns.

Again, you jump to think that I am trying to insult your beliefs. I am not! Understand that! I really did watch the whole documentary Gregg, and am not giving 2 cent answers as you quote. With discussing this topic and just like any other topic, comes opinions, and that is what we are all doing. Tell me what exactly you want to discuss since you are not getting the responses that you want? If you want peple to list flaws, be prepared for their opinions. It is so hard to put a label on what is the truth and what we are mislead to believe because there are always going to be people who think otherwise.



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