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Actually make it a new thread in the religious discussion area if you wish.
I'll have to think about it. I really don't enjoy fighting with the people who are only on here for a fight, but when they are wrong I have to defend our Lord.
You are doing on this board a beter job than I could and ever would do myself.
So far you have in a couple of days as a Christian driven away several people from 'the word' with your intolerant , aggressive , and often ridiculous presentations. Is that YOUR approach towards your final judgement?
It sounds like you have just given a perfect description of yourself. After all Jigicou came to the Christians forum to ask about how she can know God and trolls like you come here to harrasse Christians about their beliefs and promote your own atheistic religion. If Jigicou wanted to hear about Atheism or Science he/she would have posted a question under the "other religions" or "science" sections of the site. So, like i said before we appreciate your attempt to try and convert us to your faith but i dont think any Christians here are interested.
WOW! I missed the beginning and end of this thread.
I wanted to post this link here for those interested to perhaps comments or try to dispel some of the points made. I present it because this thread is heavy on scientific disscussion and theory. What I have noticed in many threads pertaining to God and creation, is that most portray scientists as unbeleivers, at least the majority of scientists, I think that is a misrepresentation of the truth really.
Also, I have no education in terms of science and all that fun test tube stuff but I did enjoy reading this paper and perhaps those of you with a background in science may enjoy it or understand it better than I. I get what it is saying, I have no clue about the equations though, even so I think it hard to refute.
WOW! I missed the beginning and end of this thread.
I wanted to post this link here for those interested to perhaps comments or try to dispel some of the points made. I present it because this thread is heavy on scientific disscussion and theory. What I have noticed in many threads pertaining to God and creation, is that most portray scientists as unbeleivers, at least the majority of scientists, I think that is a misrepresentation of the truth really.
Also, I have no education in terms of science and all that fun test tube stuff but I did enjoy reading this paper and perhaps those of you with a background in science may enjoy it or understand it better than I. I get what it is saying, I have no clue about the equations though, even so I think it hard to refute.
Good article! To say the Universe just happened by accident is the most absurd thing i have ever heard. Its like landing on Planet Jupitor and finding a machine that resembles a car and coming to the conclusion that the machine, with is its complexity and obvious design, just appeared by accident and evolved over time. A logical and rational human being would conclude that there must be "inteligent" life on the planet.
How can I tell that God exists and how do I know when he is affecting my life
It seems that the original topic question has been forgotten in this thread.
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Jigicou :
The simple answer is that you can not "tell" that God exists. You can BELIEVE that God exists.
If and how God affects your life depends on if you BELIEVE that God exists. So you will never KNOW if God effects your life. You can only BELIEVE that God effects your life, and through your BELIEF in God actually effect your own life by your (changed) actions.
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It seems that the original topic question has been forgotten in this thread.
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Jigicou :
The simple answer is that you can not "tell" that God exists. You can BELIEVE that God exists.
If and how God affects your life depends on if you BELIEVE that God exists. So you will never KNOW if God effects your life. You can only BELIEVE that God effects your life, and through your BELIEF in God actually effect your own life by your (changed) actions.
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Love to use highlight I see, too bad you don't have a Christian background to understand how wrong. When you SEE and when you FEEL, you end up KNOWING. Only those that refuse to see, don't know.
... too bad you don't have a Christian background to understand how wrong.
Wrong : I have a Christian background. But after I rejected the existence of deities I became a Secular Humanist.
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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
When you SEE and when you FEEL, you end up KNOWING. Only those that refuse to see, don't know.
Nah ... You BELIEVE that you KNOW. But without objective evidence for that it always remains BELIEF.
You call it any way you want, but it is and remains BELIEF.
I do not wish to turn anyone away from religion but I think it's important for someone who has questions to hear from both sides.
I don't mean to step on any toes but I seen a few people say there is no proof of evolution. This couldn't be further from the truth. Evolution is 100% fact. We just don't know all the odds and ends yet. For people to say it's just a theory is misleading.
As far as contradictions in the Bible, there are too many to even list. If there were no contradictions in the Bible there would not be hundreds of different beliefs and ideas. In my opinion though, contradictions really have nothing to do with whether or not there is a God. It would just mean he had little to do if any of the book being written. Again this is not an entirely bad thing, nor should it sway someone from religion. Religion is supposed to be about the heart. There was never any proof of a God at any time. People have always needed faith. Anytime I bring up the proof argument to my mother, she just looks at me and says "if there was any proof everyone would be christians, if everyone were christians heaven would be pretty full, and I hate crowds"
So Mom, I say to You, I am doing my part to make sure there is plenty of breathing room for you in heaven........lol
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