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Old Feb 17, 2008, 09:59 PM
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is there a God

How can I tell that God exists and how do I know when he is affecting my life

 
     

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Old Mar 7, 2008, 09:07 AM   #71  
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If you believe it explains it well through genealogies then that is what you believe.


But the Bible is in harmony with scientific facts.

The Bible, at Job 26:7, speaks of God as “hanging the earth upon nothing.” Science says that the earth remains in its orbit in space primarily because of the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force. These forces, of course, are invisible. Therefore the earth, like other heavenly bodies, is suspended in space as if hanging on nothing. Speaking from Gods viewpoint, the prophet Isaiah wrote under inspiration: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isa 40:22) The Bible says: “He [God] has described a circle upon the face of the waters.” (Job 26:10) The waters are limited by his decree to their proper place. They do not come up and inundate the land; neither do they fly off into space. (Job 38:8-11) From the viewpoint of Jehovah, the earth’s face, or the surface of the waters, would, of course, have a circular form, just as the edge of the moon presents a circular appearance to us. Before land surfaces appeared, the surface of the entire globe was one circular (spherical) mass of surging waters.—Ge 1:2.
 
 
     
 
 
Old Mar 7, 2008, 10:22 AM   #72  
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If you believe it explains it well through genealogies then that is what you believe.


But the Bible is in harmony with scientific facts.

The Bible, at Job 26:7, speaks of God as “hanging the earth upon nothing.” Science says that the earth remains in its orbit in space primarily because of the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force. These forces, of course, are invisible. Therefore the earth, like other heavenly bodies, is suspended in space as if hanging on nothing. Speaking from Gods viewpoint, the prophet Isaiah wrote under inspiration: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers.” (Isa 40:22) The Bible says: “He [God] has described a circle upon the face of the waters.” (Job 26:10) The waters are limited by his decree to their proper place. They do not come up and inundate the land; neither do they fly off into space. (Job 38:8-11) From the viewpoint of Jehovah, the earth’s face, or the surface of the waters, would, of course, have a circular form, just as the edge of the moon presents a circular appearance to us. Before land surfaces appeared, the surface of the entire globe was one circular (spherical) mass of surging waters.—Ge 1:2.

I agree, the Bible talked of a spherical earth thousands of years before science figured it out.

The earth existed long before God created man.
Genesis 1:2
2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

We don't know how long the earth was in this state. It could have been millions of years of years before god created plants trees animals and man.
Man was actually the last one to show up on the scene.

Scientist speculate on the age of the earth but no one can know with certainty. I think the only reason why some scientist say the earth is billions and billions of years old, is because they want to facilitate for the possibility of evolution. For something as far fetched as man sharing a common ancestor with a fruit fly, they definitely need the billions of years to make it anywhere close to believable.

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Capuchin disagrees: We know with certainty - we use radiometric dating to estimate the age of the Earth.
Dark_crow agrees: to even things up
 
 
     
 
 
Old Mar 7, 2008, 06:04 PM   #73  
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"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

"For it is written: 'I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.'"

"Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."

"Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength." (1 Corinthians 18-25)
 
 
     
 
 
Old Mar 8, 2008, 06:56 AM   #74  
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Much credit to the above posts, Donna, Sassy, and Dark Crow, very well researched and translated.

Discussions such as these tend to go around in a circular motion (ironic no?). Many "scientists" here use the terms and language to better convey what they are trying to say although some do indeed misrepresent the scientific community. Science does not claim there is no God, all these facts and figures saying that 98% of this group donot beleive in God is very misleading. Science to date cannot prove that God exists, they may be able to prove it tomorrow, but based on technology at hand they cannot conclude a God does indeed exist. To say that they do not beleive in God is something altogether different.

It is small wonder to a beleiver that science (man) cannot uncover these truths, as mentioned before, science has yet to discover much upon our own planet let alone reveal superior intelligence above and beyond the realm of earth. Many demand proof for the existence of God, proof that will never arrive in the form they wish to see it.

Fancy scientific wording and all that can only further the argument against God to a certain point. No theory can explain intelligent deseign (save the Bible, thank you for the reference Dark Crow). Some here view faith as silly, they even go as far to use the term logical in their arguments. To beleivers (well to me at least) the earth has laws, nowhere that man can see has life akin to our own planet, everything works, everything has a place. More importantly than the physical make up of the world is the moral make up of a human being. We know right from wrong (many will say it is taught to us during childhood, thats foolishness), a theif may continue to steal although he knows it to be wrong, the fact he continues to do it is his choice. All of these things cannot be scientifically proven or even accounted for, then the discussions turn into more foolish content, such as if God exists why does he not appear?

To put such emphasis on science is to put much faith in human kind, the Bible deals with this issue as well.
 
 
     
 
 
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hey just like they thought that some ridges in some valley were millions of years old, but proved only to be a couple of hundred, and the reason was for some kind of flood that happened there.
 
 
     
 
 
Old Mar 9, 2008, 01:31 AM   #76  
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Jigicou
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Your original question was :
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How can I tell that God exists and how do I know when he is affecting my life ?
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My reply to your original question is :
Nobody can prove to you that an entity described with "God" exists.
Nobody can prove to you that any deities exist.
All one can do is BELIEVE that God (and/or deities) exist.
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As into how far the "God" entity is affecting your life :
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There is no proof that "God" is affecting your life. Belief in "God" may affect your life "positively and/or negatively, but that effect is coming from you and the society around you.
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"God's" existence is highly questionable, and only based on belief and faith.
You are - and always should be - free to believe what ever you want to believe.
Unfortunately most Christians (and most other followers of any other religion) are cherrypickers : they pick the nice things out of their religion, but sidestep the for them negative aspects (like love your brothers and sisters, love your neighbours, forgive other peoples "sin" - i.e. in this case the basics of Christianity).
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So - even if belief in "God" affects your life, for most Christians it is mostly a self-centered and one-way filtered effect, and not the effect as JC intended it to be.
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templelane agrees: nice answer
Jesushelper76 agrees: Good answer. Not all Christians fall under the category you mentioned though.
 
 
     
 
 
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Jigicou
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You are - and always should be - free to believe what ever you want to believe.
Unfortunately most Christians (and most other followers of any other religion) are cherrypickers : they pick the nice things out of their religion, but sidestep the for them negative aspects (like love your brothers and sisters, love your neighbours, forgive other peoples "sin" - i.e. in this case the basics of Christianity).
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So - even if belief in "God" affects your life, for most Christians it is mostly a self-centered and one-way filtered effect, and not the effect as JC intended it to be.
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Everyone is free to believe whatever they want to believe, just as a Christian believes that God is definitely real and that our job is to tell whoever will listen about Jesus and salvation.

Never liked picking cherries, but I certainly love my brothers and sisters and neighbors. And if I don't forgive others their sins, how can I expect them to forgive me mine? Everyone sins, we all need forgiveness, and Jesus is always there.
 
 
     
 
 
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Never liked picking cherries, but I certainly love my brothers and sisters and neighbors. And if I don't forgive others their sins, how can I expect them to forgive me mine? Everyone sins, we all need forgiveness, and Jesus is always there.
Donna, you may do that, but the fact remains that most Christians are religious cherrypickers, and try to (mis)use the Bible for own gain. Super US examples of that species are extra-maritial sex-frolicking television evangelists with huge bank accounts, and prospering whorehouses and other sex establishments in a country that claims to be a 90% Christian nation. A nation where only a few decades ago groups of Christians wore white robes with pointed white hats who full of enthousiasm hung non-whites to the highest trees and lighted huge crosses. These "Christians" still exist, and some are still active.
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The original question of this topic is :
"How can I tell that God exists and how do I know when he is affecting my life?"
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The reality is that "nobody can PROVE that an entity described with "God" exists".
All one can do is BELIEVE that God exists.
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As into if and how the so far not-proved-to-exist "God" entity is affecting your life :
Belief in "God" may affect your life "positively and/or negatively, but that effect is coming from you and the society around you.
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So - even if belief in "God" affects your life, for most Christians it is mostly a self-centered and one-way filtered effect, and not the effect as JC intended it to be.
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Jesushelper76 stated in his rating : "Not all Christians fall under the category you mentioned though.
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Of course. In view of the subject I was taking this rather in general.
 
 
     
 
 
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Capuchin disagrees: We know with certainty - we use radiometric dating to estimate the age of the Earth.

Scientist do not KNOW with certainty how old the earth is.
FACT: In the 19th century, it was proposed that the Earth may be as much as 70 million years old. Then, certain evidence was brought to light indicating that evolution was not possible in so short a time. So, the age of the Earth was pushed back.

FACT: During the 20th century, it was thought that the age of the Earth was as much as 1 billion years old. Now, with the development of radiometric dating and the application of that technique on the meteorite "Allende", it is thought that the world is up to 4.6 billion years old. However, this is not conclusive though. The assumptions that are fundamental to radiometric dating are extremely controversial, and are not held to be reasonable by some scientists and many leading scholars. Radiometric dating is flawed in that it is founded upon a series of faulty assumptions.

Ultimately, the age of the earth cannot be proven with certainty. Whether 6,000 years or 4.6 billion years – both viewpoints (and everything in between) rests on faith and assumptions. Those who hold to 4.6 billion years trust that methods such as radiometric dating and the assumptions they make are reliable.
 
 
     


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