[Credendovidis]

In "other religion" there was a question on Noah's Ark.
In the end the topic changed into a debate on the size of the Ark versus the carrying capacity versus the number of all animals and plants that would have to be in the ark to survive the flood.

Tj3 (AKA Answerway's Toms 777) stated in response to Choux's post on the problems with the size of the ark : "Others used different assumptions and came up with a completely different answer".

How can anyone claim that the ark was big enough to contain all these animals in the required quantities and variations. Not even a ship double the size of the ark would be big enough!! Logical thinking and simple mathematics makes that clear beyond any doubt.

So where is the calculation that the Ark was big enough to provide sufficient space for all in it for such a long time?
Or can we accept the Biblical Noah's Ark story as just a copycat repeat of the Gilgamesh story?

[savedsinner7]

You are asking for human wisdom to explain the things of God.

Deuteronomy 29:4
But to this day the Lord has not given you minds that understand, nor eyes that see, nor ears that hear!

2 Corinthians 3:14
But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ.

2 Corinthians 4:4
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.

[Credendovidis]

You are asking for human wisdom to explain the things of God.

No I did not . More reading comprehension problems, I see !
All I asked was where the calculation is that the Ark was big enough to provide sufficient space for all in it for such a long time.
Or if can we accept the Biblical Noah's Ark story as just a copycat repeat of the 2000+ years older Gilgamesh story? No, nothing about "human wisdom" or "things of god"...

:rolleyes:

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[savedsinner7]

So where is the calculation that the Ark was big enough to provide sufficient space for all in it for such a long time?

Genesis 6
The Story of Noah
9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God. 10 Noah was the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 Now God saw that the earth had become corrupt and was filled with violence. 12 God observed all this corruption in the world, for everyone on earth was corrupt. 13 So God said to Noah, “I have decided to destroy all living creatures, for they have filled the earth with violence. Yes, I will wipe them all out along with the earth!

14 “Build a large boat[c] from cypress wood[d] and waterproof it with tar, inside and out. Then construct decks and stalls throughout its interior. 15 Make the boat 450 feet long, 75 feet wide, and 45 feet high.[e] 16 Leave an 18-inch opening[f] below the roof all the way around the boat. Put the door on the side, and build three decks inside the boat—lower, middle, and upper.

17 “Look! I am about to cover the earth with a flood that will destroy every living thing that breathes. Everything on earth will die. 18 But I will confirm my covenant with you. So enter the boat—you and your wife and your sons and their wives. 19 Bring a pair of every kind of animal—a male and a female—into the boat with you to keep them alive during the flood. 20 Pairs of every kind of bird, and every kind of animal, and every kind of small animal that scurries along the ground, will come to you to be kept alive. 21 And be sure to take on board enough food for your family and for all the animals.”

22 So Noah did everything exactly as God had commanded him.

[Credendovidis]

savedsinner7 : and THAT is your calculation that the Ark was big enough to provide sufficient space for all in it for such a long time.

:D :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

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[savedsinner7]

No. It is not my calculation. It is God's.

[Credendovidis]

savedsinner7 : Why should it be God's? That is what you BELIEVE!!
God's existence is not a fact. God's existence is based on belief !

:rolleyes:

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[Wondergirl]

Were there penguins on the Ark? Platypi? Polar bears? Kangaroos? Bison?

[Credendovidis]

Were there penguins on the Ark? Platypi? Polar bears? Kangaroos? Bisons?

Why don't you tell me? And how many of them were there, and why? And if so : what did they eat?

:rolleyes:

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[Wondergirl]

I asked first.

[savedsinner7]

savedsinner7 : Why should it be God's? That is what you BELIEVE !!!
God's existence is not a fact. God's existence is based on belief !

:rolleyes:

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The fact that you do not believe does not negate God's existence.

[Credendovidis]

Wondergirl : I have no idea, reason to ask you for your views.
The point with the ark is that even two arks would have been too small to allow for all animals pairs and other multiples to stand, eat, and sleep there.

Let's see : penguins and ice bear pairs could survive on ice/water. For the Platypus there was nothing to eat during the flood. Kangaroos and Bisons need soil underneath. And I do not take the bizon and cow argument as being one species as valid.

So now give me your arguments ! But I'll only will see that tomorrow ! Cred going horizontal!!

:rolleyes:

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[Wondergirl]

Huh? Why do you think I am against you, Cred? And I wasn't asking just you. I threw the questions out on the table. If it was a worldwide flood, how did the animals I named get to the Ark and how were they fed? Noah didn't even know they existed.

My point is, there are far too many questions than answers about the Flood. Saying "God took care of it" doesn't work if the Flood story is to be believable and true.

[Tj3]

No. It is not my calculation. It is God's.

Yep, and God's word is sufficient.

Others have done the calculations to confirm this - here is but one example:

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs%20Ark%2...rk-Handout.pdf

I note that those who oppose Christianity will typically make the claim that there is not enough room with no validation of that claim.

[Wondergirl]

Yep, and God's word is sufficient.

Others have done the calculations to confirm this - here is but one example:

http://www.amendez.com/Noahs%20Ark%2...rk-Handout.pdf

I note that those who oppose Christianity will typically make the claim that there is not enough room with no validation of that claim.

That link doesn't speak to my questions. What about my questions?

[Capuchin]

Hmm..

[Credendovidis]

Excellent graphic, Capuchin ! Says it all ! But... uhmm... were the dino's not extinct by that time ?
And another reason why you never should provide a box of matches to dino's ! :D

If it was a worldwide flood, how did the animals I named get to the Ark and how were they fed? Noah didn't even know they existed.

A good point, Wondergirl. HOW did all the animals that needed ground under their feet get to the Ark ?
As to penguins on the Ark? They could swim and feed without land also, though 6 weeks+ is too long to continue. The same for polar bears. The same for the platypus. Kangaroos and bisons required solid soil. And I assume that same question applies to hundreds of thousands of other species also :

How did all these animals get to Noah from all over the world ? :confused:

:rolleyes: :p :D

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[Capuchin]

Excellent graphic, Capuchin ! Says it all ! But ... uhmm ... were the dino's not extinct by that time ?

Of course not - the flood was only 1500 years after creation.

[Credendovidis]

Of course not - the flood was only 1500 years after creation.

Whoops : I stand corrected. How could I forget that ?

:D :D :D :D :D

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[Fr_Chuck]

Of course not - the flood was only 1500 years after creation.

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Actually 1500 or so years after man was removed from Eden. In fact part of one issue, we do not know how many years or even 1000's of years Adam may have been in the Garden.