This is related to my nothing from nothing thread.

Some scientists claim that science can only accept that which can be reproduced in the lab. But that seems far from true. Lets examine some well known theories.

Take the Big Bang theory. Here's a definition from a science website. It is the same as what I was taught as a child in public school:

Big Bang Theory - The Premise
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.
Big Bang Theory

And take the theory of evolution and abiogenesis for another:

In the natural sciences, abiogenesis, the question of the origin of life, is the study of how life on Earth might have emerged from non-life.
Abiogenesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are obviously assumptions which science accepts as truths. No one can produce something from nothing in the lab or anywhere. And no one can produce life from non life.

Yet the theories based on these obviously false assumptions are now passed on as facts.

Sincerely,

Donna Mae

Very true. It's so sad that these lies are being taught as truths.

michealb

I don't know how many times that you have to be told that the web site you are looking at are wrong before you understand. Web sites can be wrong it happens, kind of like how priests can molest children they shouldn't but it happens.

Evolution is the theory of how from the first replicating organism diversified and evolved. I always recommend the good people at Berkeley to explain evolution in a correct and easy to understand way. Here is their web site and the definition of evolution from their web site. Stop using the web site you have and use Berkeley one they have the entire theory correct on their site.
Understanding Evolution
"Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life."

For the Big bang I suggest you read the article from the University of Michigan they have a very good article that explains it very well. It even points out a few holes in the theory(oh my). Here is the web site and a highlight from the site.
THE BIG BANG
About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What exisisted prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation.

If you want to question theories good for you, science is about questioning theories but you should at least understand the existing theories and the evidence behind it. Otherwise you are wasting your time and appear to be uneducated.

NeedKarma

Many feel the same about the bible Donna.

Choux

1. If there was a god as depicted in the Bible who created the Universe out of nothing, THEN **THERE WAS NEVER NOTHING**....there was always god.

2. Evolution is **not** about the origin of life from non-living matter.


I really get tired of Christians lying about science. How morally bankrupt can they be?

spitvenom

I can't believe people site Wikipedia as a real source!!!!!!

NeedKarma

His other source is a no-so-cleverly disguised site devote to the bible and intelligent design. It links to content like this: Intelligent Design
and this: Who Wrote The Bible?

Whenever someone feels the needs to register domain names like that versus having subdomains/subdirectories off of the main domain (i.e. http://www.allaboutgod.com/bigbang) then there is some deception at work. This is often seen in MLM schemes.

He is passing the domain off as a definitive scientific reference when its owners actually professs the following:

De Maria

Are you saying that Science does not now and never has taught that the universe came from nothing?

Are you saying that Science does not now and has never taught that life on this earth evolved from non living matter?

Sincerely,

De Maria

De Maria

1. Its not my domain.
2. All you have to do is google the either evolution or the big bang and you will see that the explanations I presented are accurate.
3. Essentially, what Michealb is doing is pitting one scientist against another. However, I think I can prove that most scientists once believed and continue to believe that the universe came from nothing and that life evolved from non life.
4. Whether they once believed or continue to believe those unverifiable theories is proof that science violates its own standards, since science purports to contain only quantifiable, testable data.

So, let the discussion continue.

Sincerely,

De Maria

michealb

Science isn't one person or even one group of people. So to say that science does or doesn't say something is impossible to do. All I can say is that current widely accepted theory doesn't state that the universe came from nothing. Have people that called themselves scientist been wrong in the past absolutely without question. Could we still be wrong absolutely without question. Should we teach the theories that support the evidence the best at the time they are being taught absoutely without question.



I'm saying that there are many competing theories about how life came into existence from non-living matter. While I know of a few that sound reasonable and fit the evidence well. Until more work is done we don't have a solid theory that fits all the evidence yet. We may never be able to prove one theory over the other in this particular case. Abiogenesis may also be what prevents evolution from becoming a complete law versus a theory. It's okay we know we don't have all the answers yet but we will continue to study and refine our theories and maybe even find new ones.