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Old Oct 24, 2009, 12:32 AM
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Now this is carrying freedom a little too far

this is carrying religious freedom a little too far, a Baptist Church is burning versions of the Bible other than the KJV. This is a radical move that achieves nothing but make Christians look like fascists and extremists.

YouTube - N.C. Church Plans Bible Burning

How is it that a land that prides itsself on freedom and political correctness can tolerate fascism in its midst in the name of religion?

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Old Oct 24, 2009, 02:15 PM   #2  
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this is carrying religious freedom a little too far, a Baptist Church is burning versions of the Bible other than the KJV. This is a radical move that achieves nothing but make Christians look like fascists and extremists.

YouTube - N.C. Church Plans Bible Burning

How is it that a land that prides itsself on freedom and political correctness can tolerate fascism in its midst in the name of religion?

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Paraclete - I understand your point but this church is a congregation of 14 people who are led by a lunatical man. How many people are actually going to attend such an event as a bible burning besides the members of that church? It stands that rational people will not be there and this little event will go on and nobody will remember it even happened a month from now.

I think you may be giving more credence to this than it even merits, in my opinion. But I think I get your point; this kind of behavior is ridiculous and even mildly sociopathic but they are not the KKK.
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Old Oct 24, 2009, 03:18 PM   #3  
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It looks like the flames have intensified: ABC 13 - WLOS - Stories

I deleted my early morning post because I still had sleep fog.
I am in agreement with you jakester.
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Old Oct 24, 2009, 03:41 PM   #4  
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I don't see where this has anything to do with religious freedom, buring is not religion, it is merely a freedom if you hvae a permit to burn ( so not really free since in most areas this would be permited)

Next I would use the term "baptist" very loosely, since they have little in common with the majority of baptist.
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I don't see where this has anything to do with religious freedom, buring is not religion, it is merely a freedom if you hvae a permit to burn ( so not really free since in most areas this would be permited)

Next I would use the term "baptist" very loosely, since they have little in common with the majority of baptist.
How do we know what they have in common with Christians or Baptists or anyoneelse for that matter but this is a deeply offensive act to Christians how can you say they should be permitted to do it. when you say most areas, I hope you are referring to the US and not the civilised world
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How do we know what they have in common with Christians or Baptists or anyoneelse for that matter but this is a deeply offensive act to Christians how can you say they should be permitted to do it. when you say most areas, I hope you are referring to the US and not the civilised world
I definitely wouldn't go as far as saying that the US is not part of the civilized world even though you have trouble spelling worlds such as, colour and programme.

It is interesting how Australians and Americans see things so differently. A possible explanation could be found in the different way we view economic, political and religious freedom. I think Americans see economic freedom and religious freedom as, "ends in themselves" as opposed to, "a means to an end". It is of course possible for some objects of freedom to both at the same time.

Many contributors to discussions get upset whenever universal health care is mentioned. Clearly, the government wants universal health care as a way of meeting an agenda.
From what I have read so far the attack is not so much on the idea of universal health care, but rather an attack on economic freedom as an end in itself. To put this another way it is seen as an attack on the intrinsic value of economic freedom.

In a similar fashion, when someone wants to burn books; while strongly disagreeing with it, you are reluctant to do anything about it because to do so would intrude on this person/s right to religious freedom. In other words, the right to burn books so long as it does not do harm to others.

In Australia we don't see the need to protect freedoms so vigorously because we don't take the intrinsic value of freedom as seriously. Our constitution guarantees us very little.
It is against the law not to vote in elections. It is against the law to carry a gun. A gun is therefore seen as a privilege not a right. It is against the law not to wear a seat-belt, and numerous other restraints on individual freedoms. Except for the ones mentioned here you also have restraints as well but not as intrusive.

We don't necessarily see government intervention in any area of life as an attack on freedom. Most of us are not worried about our freedom because we know it is protected elsewhere in our system of checks and balances.
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How is it that a land that prides itsself on freedom and political correctness can tolerate fascism in its midst in the name of religion?
It seems all bets are off when you put religion into the equation.
There is a self serving mindset that precedes common sense and political correctness.
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allowed to do it, of course, that is what at least America is all about the right to burn the bible, or books by Obama in protest.

Many Christian groups with alot of mistaken reasons believe the King James Version to be the best or some to be the only "real" version, not sure if that is only the english version or also the 1000's of other translations of King James.

But they have the same right to burn it as I would to burn porn takes or pro homosexual text books in protest.

But it has nothing to do with religious freedoms as much as political freedom to protest things we don[t like
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allowed to do it, of course, that is what at least America is all about the right to burn the bible, or books by Obama in protest.

Many Christian groups with alot of mistaken reasons believe the King James Version to be the best or some to be the only "real" version, not sure if that is only the english version or also the 1000's of other translations of King James.

But they have the same right to burn it as I would to burn porn takes or pro homosexual text books in protest.

But it has nothing to do with religious freedoms as much as political freedom to protest things we don[t like
I hear what your saying ,it is freedom of speech.

The problem,I find ,is that in religious circles the minority follows the leaders,like it or not.

Its one of those,follow this way or you are not a (insert religion)

Be one of us or not at all.

Follow the leader or else.

Who ever decides what is the doctrine for the day must be followed.It bull.
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