In Jesus's name, or not

excon · Jul 26, 2009, 11:12 AM

Hello Christians:

Does it diminish a prayer if the prayer leader ends it with just a plain Amen, instead of "in the name of Jesus, Amen"?

I ask, because as I watch the NASCAR race, I'm offended when they pray to Jesus. It kinda leaves ME OUT. I don't like to be left out.

I've also heard them end their invocation INCLUSIVELY, too. That is WITHOUT mention of Jesus. Are THOSE prayers less effective than those when Jesus's name is invoked?

excon

PS> Yeah, I complained about it right here several years ago... It STILL pisses me off.

s_cianci · Jul 27, 2009, 04:18 PM

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For the same reason YOU would be if they ended a NASCAR invocation with the words "in Allah's name we prey".

But that's just it, I wouldn't be offended. I'd probably laugh out loud and think it was a very foolish prayer but I wouldn't be offended. I might be a little annoyed at having spent 30 sec. or a min. of my time listening to a worthless prayer but still not offended. Now, if the admonition "in Allah's name" were followed by an act of violence like a bomb going off in which innocent people were maimed or killed because "Allah told us to do it", then yes, that would offend me. But simply stating a belief in "Allah" or any other "god" isn't going to offend me in the least. After all, they're entitled to their beliefs too, foolish though they may be.

Wondergirl · Jul 27, 2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by excon

"in Allah's name we prey"

Was that a Freudian slip? prey = plunder ; pray = call for help

s_cianci · Jul 27, 2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Was that a Freudian slip? prey = plunder ; pray = call for help

Yep - Freudian slip!

JudyKayTee · Jul 27, 2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Was that a Freudian slip? prey = plunder ; pray = call for help

An award winning Freudian slip - hmmm.

jmjoseph · Jul 27, 2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, s:

You're ordinarily a pretty smart man... But, I guess when it comes to religious matters, you lose your mind.....

Why was I offended??????? For the same reason YOU would be if they ended a NASCAR invocation with the words "in Allah's name we prey".

excon

Prey, Love it. Points for our Jewish parolee. I got it. I'm a Christian , and understand completely that we shouldn't exclude, insult , or offend. Life is not easy when you've got big feet walking on eggshells. Especially when you've got one in your mouth, like I usually do.

jenniepepsi · Jul 27, 2009, 06:50 PM

what is so hard about being loving and accepting?

Wondergirl · Jul 27, 2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jenniepepsi

what is so hard about being loving and accepting?

Heck, we love and accept even EXCON!!!!!!

jenniepepsi · Jul 27, 2009, 07:12 PM

lol there isnt anything wrong with excon :P

paraclete · Jul 27, 2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by s_cianci

Any believing Christian will end a prayer "in Jesus' name" because a fundamental tenet of the Christian faith is that Jesus is the mediator between God and man (as in 'humanity.') But let me ask you this ; even if you don't believe in Jesus (perhaps in other than a strictly historical context), why would you be offended by the mention of his name? After all, if you truly don't believe, then it's not real and that's that and anyone who thinks it is is a poor deluded fool ; hardly worth taking offense at. Pity maybe, but not offense. After all, I don't believe in Santa Claus but I'm not offended by little children who do. And I don't get offended when I see people dressed in Santa costumes in department stores talking to children and posing for pictures with them. So why is it any different when it comes to religious matters?

I don't know why people get offended when Jesus name is used but they do. Maybe they realise that they don't have that relationship with Jesus and they feel excluded, rejected. You see Santa Claus doesn't require you do anything but believe in a myth, whilst Jesus, he wants you to change the way you live and stop believing in myths like Santa Claus. This is offensive to people who think they have it all together.

excon · Jul 27, 2009, 08:38 PM

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This is offensive to people who think they have it all together.

Hello again, clete:

It's not about being better than you. It's about having a different religion, attending a public event, and being excluded. I dunno what's so hard to understand about that. Unless, you too lose your mind when it comes to religious things.

Plus, you'll have to forgive me... but I don't believe that YOU particular Christians wouldn't be offended if you attended a public event and they invoked some other god than your own. Nahhh, you religious folks ain't that liberal...

You're not really gonna tell me that crap, are you??? Come on, it's a sin to lie. IF you went to your city counsel meeting and they prayed to the pagen god of the wilderness, WE'D never hear the end of it. Who're you trying to kid?

excon



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