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Muslims believe in God, and although they do not accept Jesus as a saviour they do believe in him and accept him as a profet.
Jews believe in God. Do not and did not accept him as a saviour and for his troubles, murdered him.
Given the above 3 facts, can someone explain why the USA (by far predominantly of christian belief) is ill treating muslims yet kissing the butt of jews.
I will now depart to my 2nd religion - football - and return to see ( I hope ) some interesting replies.
p.s. - Answers will be graded on their humourous content
Given the above 3 facts, can someone explain why the USA (by far predominantly of christian belief) is ill treating muslims yet kissing the butt of jews.
Well for one thing, it wasn't Jews who blew up the World Trade Center, and it's not Jews who have all the oil in various mid-eastern countries. Jews make up a small percentage of the total population of the world; the population of Muslims / Islam is much larger. Not saying I agree with Muslims being treated badly... I absolutely don't! I have Muslim friends and I feel very badly for them right now. Recently there was a hate crime committed here in my city against an average, good Muslim family. They had to move to a new neighborhood because of it. However, our synagogue was also bombed with a molotov cocktail, causing over $100,000 in damage, so Jews are not being treated particularly well, either.
But in any event I think it's a combination of the recent terrorism, the oil crisis, and the fact that since there are a lot more Muslims in the world they may be considered a "threat" to the USA much more than Jews. Basically, I don't think it has as much to do with religion as it does with politics and international relations. The US has always had a fairly good relationship with Israel, whereas its relationships with various Muslim and Arab countries has been dubious at best.
But yes it is kind of ironic since basically all three groups (Muslim, Christian, Jewish) believe in the same G-d. That's why I don't think religious beliefs has much to do with it.
It may not be about religion or even politics as much as ordinary group dynamics, albeit on a much larger scale.
Ever see three kids fight?
Numero Uno strategy: two gang up on one! + =
What determines which two do the ganging?
Remember those early school assignments where you drew a crude circle around the two items illustrated on the paper that have the most in common?
(I always liked the part afterwards where you got to use your crayons and colour everything in)
Yup that's a really great theory too, Val! Just take a look at the Religion forum and you can see how much fighting goes on even between the members of ONE faith, nevermind three.
Oh btw Jonegy speaking of football I'm rooting for England haha, as Canada has ties to England and also, Canada has not qualified for this event since 1986!! Wow that's bad.
My actual quandary is with the Palestine situation where the US always takes the Israeli part which is essentially taking the part against a fellow believer.
I'll change the original if I can see how to do it.
Hmmm well in the case of the Palestinian situation, again I think it's a matter of politics rather than religion... not all Palestinians are Muslim; a large number of them are Christian as well... although the Christian Palestinians are not the suicide bombers.
Anyways, as I said before, the US has had a long history of being allied with Israel, and Israel was created as a state with help from the UK, another long-time ally of the US. Plus the Palestinians have unfortunately become known for a lot of terrorist activities within Israel, because of the PLO and Hammas. And although I don't agree with everything Israel does or their methods, I do think that they have the right to defend themselves against attacks. It does seem a lot of times though, that they are targeting innocent civilians. On the other hand, lots of innocent Israeli citizens get targeted and killed as well. Needless to say it's a very complex situation, bad for both Palestinians and Israelis IMO.
It's interesting to note though... I'm Jewish (although not from Israel) and I have a friend who is Palestinian (born in Canada, parents were born in Israel / Palestine), and while they hate the way they were treated in Israel, they also say that the surrounding Arab nations never helped them, either. Palestinians are sort of considered a "low-class" Arab... no one seems to care about them much, even their own "brothers". Mind you, my friend's family is Christian, and a Muslim Palestinian might have very different views on that.
Anyways I have no trouble as a Jew being friends with a Palestinian... in fact there are groups in Israel and Palestine that are trying to teach children to get along. It's similar though to the situation in Northern Ireland I think... a long-standing, very complex conflict with hurts on both sides. Very difficult to fix! And also quite difficult to comment on really accurately unless you actually live there.
If you look at it from a strictly religious viewpoint (which I don't think you can in this care, but let's suppose), Christians and Jews have had a long history together which Christians and Muslims do not have. Christians and Jews have lived together in Europe and later North America for hundreds of years, and while they don't always understand each other or get along, there is that undeniable familiarity and dialogue that's been going on for a long time. Many Christians even talk about their religion as "Judeo-Christian". Whereas Muslims are sort of the "third wheel" of the trio, Muslim immigrants are relatively new to Europe and North America, and thus more "mysterious" and liable to be mistrusted.
Anyways regardless of whether you change the question or not, it's an interesting topic, so thanks for asking it!
Right now every act of terrorism is put on the Muslims even tho I think we are talking about a small group of nuts they have put the 90% of the peaceful Muslims in a bad light with their actions. Because the Muslim community has done little in the eyes of everyone to renounce the bad acts by the nuts, then they also are percieved, rightly or wrongly, to condone the actions of the NUTS! I think if there was a strong Muslim leader that came out against the NUTS, then the public view of Muslims in general would change.
I don't think those claiming to be Christian still see the Jews in that light of having murdered Jesus. That concept was once popular within Christendom and was the motiive for much misguided persecution.
Right now every act of terrorism is put on the Muslims even tho I think we are talking about a small group of nuts they have put the 90% of the peaceful Muslims in a bad light with their actions. Because the Muslim community has done little in the eyes of everyone to renounce the bad acts by the nuts, then they also are percieved, rightly or wrongly, to condone the actions of the NUTS! I think if there was a strong Muslim leader that came out against the NUTS, then the public view of Muslims in general would change.
Yup it's always a small group doing the bad things and ruining it for everyone else, regardless of the religion or culture. The Nazis were a good example of that... most "average" Germans were against the killing of the Jews and other "undesirables".
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I don't think those claiming to be Christian still see the Jews in that light of having murdered Jesus. That concept was once popular within Christendom and was the motiive for much misguided persecution.
That's mostly true, but I've still run into people who say the blood of Jesus is on the Jews. I was called a Christ killer by a fellow student in second grade(obviously she heard that from her parents)!! But most Christians I've known have treated me as an equal. It's interesting though, with all you hear about Muslims hating Jews, I've found the Muslim community in my city actually very kind and understanding, nicer in fact than some radical Christians I've encountered.
Thanks for the replies Orange. Like Valinor, I couldn't agree more.
Sorry I'm a bit late in replying but have been suffering with one of those summer colds that send you hiding under the sheets for days. ( You know what us blokes are like when we're 'poorly' .
On the subject of the creation of Israel - I wonder how many of the early Israeli leaders were Palestinian Jews - very few I suspect as the Jews, Christians and Muslims had co-existed peacefully for centuries in the area and the troubles seem to have started over Israel's management of the lands.
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