Ok I know that this is a contentious issue, but I believe that it needs to be talked about.

This has been mentioned in other threads, but I thought that it was time for a thread of its own.

The main problem that I have is how can Intelligent Design (ID) be taught as a SCIENCE when it is based TOTALLY on faith?
At least Evolution is a Theory and until it is disproved or updated it’s the best we have.
ID has it place in Religious Studies NOT in science.


Now I am looking for some reasoned arguments here NOT just opinionated mudslinging

galveston

Isn't it interesting how some folks can dismiss a book that has been proven correct so many times by fulfilled predictions, archeological finds, scientific discoveries, and an unbroken line of history through ancient scribes, and yet swallow the claims of evolution whole. Now THAT really takes gullibility. To say that evolution has been proven is a total mistake. There are many recognized scientists that do not accept evolution as a cause. Mutation is not the same as evolution. Evolution is a religion and just as vigorously supported as any other religion. So admit it. Your are religious after all.

speedball1

And isn't it also interesting how many creationists tap dance around the word "Creator". I also find it fascinating the while discussing intelligent design "The Drsigner" is left out of the equation.

"Isn't it interesting how some folks can dismiss a book that has been proven correct so many times by fulfilled predictions, archeological finds, scientific discoveries, and an unbroken line of history through ancient scribes,"

And whadda ya know, here it is again!! We just did a "soft shoe shuffle" right around the word," Bible".

Tippity-tap-slip and slide!! Isn't it fun to watch the creation apoligests twist and turn to avoid using that nasty word "religion" in their arguments.
Having a "Creator" or a "Intelligent Designer" as the center of their claim but not being able to give evidence that such a deity even exists plus having to deny that religion has nothing to do with intelligent design as they attempt to force the public school system to teach it as science must put a terrible strain on them. But it is amusing to watch them try.
Not having a shred of physical evidence to back up the claim of either creationist science or intelligent design the best they can do is attempt to debunk evolution.
Keep it up guys! Tippity-tap-tap and a soft shoe slide! we're enjoying the act!!

Starman

Resemblance doesn't prove descent. We live on the same planet and have to deal with the same gravity, radiation, atmosphere, temperatures and so on. So physically there will be resemblances which simply means that the same plan was used
to deal with the same environmental conditions.

Inability to see plain evidence and refusal to acknowledge, accompanied by
a mocking attitudeand false accusations doesn't constitute proof. Add to this inconsistency in reasoning and your whole argument, if indeed it can be classified as such, comes crashing down like a house of cards.

talaniman

It seems to me that both sides of this argument can be accused of being rather closed minded and I find it amusing that both sides think their so right that now the arrogance and name calling as reared its ugly head! When did we get so sensitive??

speedball1

"Inability to see plain evidence and refusal to acknowledge, accompanied by
a mocking attitudeand false accusations doesn't constitute proof. Add to this inconsistency in reasoning and your whole argument, if indeed it can be classified as such, comes crashing down like a house of cards."
,
More tippity-tap, (I love it!!) You saying that I have the "Inability to see plain evidence and refusal to acknowledge it" just adds more soft shoe routine to the act. you speak of "evidence", isn't that what I've been asking for ever since this thread started?? PRODUCE THIS "EVIDENCE" that you claim you have. I don't see one answer to my previous post. Not one response except to put me down. You attempt to discredit my augments while not offering one tiny shred of physical evidence to back up yours.
one more time! Making me look bad doesn't make you look good. Go ahead and try! I have argued reason and logic against faith and belief for decades with militant fundamentalists and am still waiting for the evidence to back ip their claims. I find you no different from them. Welllll! Perhaps a bit more humorous.

RickJ

I agree. This thread is going to the gutter.

jduke44

Yep, this is why I like to read these more than reply to them. I get bored hearing all the name calling, over and over and over again.

ScottGem

Yodeladeehoo (insert name here)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Name calling

Starman

Respectful disagreement doesn't constitute putting you down unless you interpret it that way by identifying your self worth with the ideas you put forth as fact. Your beliefs are not you. On the other hand, I agree that name-calling and mockery are ad hominem. However, I don't agree that my saying that you are unable to see my viewpoint is either. Actually, you have all the right in the world to hold whatever belief you wish and it shouldn't be any skin off anybody's nose unless your manner of stating your beliefs is offensive. In that case it's the manner of your expressing your views and not your beliefs that are questionable. I think that the problem in your case is that you express your views very vigorously and when someone responds with a little vigor you can't seem to tolerate it and begin to accuse these people of putting you down. I strongly suspect that if you'd tone it down a bit yourself then the responses you receive would most likely not be as irritating. No harm meant just a little advice.


As for the proof you require, I garnered some web site links that you might or might not wish to read. That's entirely up to you.


evolution
SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE AGAINST EVOLUTION. The following are just some of the little publicised facts which contradict the "proven fact" of evolution theory. 1. FOSSILS
ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bowdenmalcolm/evol.htm


EvC Forum: Willowtree's Scientific Evidence against Evolution
... EvC Forum All Forums Science Forums Biological Evolution Willowtree's Scientific Evidence against Evolution ... Topic: Willowtree's Scientific Evidence against Evolution. wj. Member ..


Science Against Evolution Official Home Page
... Science Against Evolution is a California Public Benefit Corporation whose ... evidence. It is believed DESPITE scientific evidence. Science is against the theory of evolution ...
www.scienceagainstevolution.org

SCIENTIFIC FACTS AGAINST EVOLUTION —. ORIGIN OF THE UNIVERSE. 3 Volume. ENCYCLOPEDIA. TABLE OF CONTENTS. Evolution Encyclopedia, Vol. 1 ... SECTION 7 - Additional Scientific Evidence Against Evolution. 25- THE LAWS OF NATURE VS. EVOLUTION The First and Second ...
evolution-facts.org/EncyclopediaTOC.htm


Scientific Arguments Against Evolution
Evidence for Intelligent Design ... Evolution. Science Itself Refutes Darwinism ... to the theory of evolution, at some time in the ... • Scientific evidence casts serious doubts on the theory of evolution, for example ...
www.straight-talk.net/evolution/arguments.shtml


Scientific Creationism - The Web Site
A collection of essays and articles which refute the theory of evolution and support young earth creationism. ... Evidence against the theory of evolution. Scientific Evidence Against the Theory of Evolution. A Critique ... Primary Evidence Used to Support the Theory of Evolution. Rebuttals to other ...
www.scientificcreationism.org

Evolution Exposé
... we get is, "If the scientific evidence is against the theory of evolution, then why don't all scientists ... answer is that the theory of evolution isn't scientific, it is philosophic ...
www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sage/v7i12f.htm


Evolution vs. Design: Is the Universe a Cosmic Accident or Does it Display Intelligent Design?
The universe, the earth and life on it testify to the involvement of an Intelligent Designer. Macroevolution fails to explain the history of life on planet earth. ... falsifiable, predictive biblical creation model. Evidence for the Fine Tuning of the Universe - Why ... macroevolution is false. A Scientific Case Against Evolution by Robert Locke, a ...
www.godandscience.org/evolution


Main Creation Science Web Links
... advance knowledge of the scientific evidences of creation (and against evolution) in schools and among ... We provide Biblical and scientific evidence that God created the universe, and ...
www.creationism.org/topbar/linksWeb.htm



Evolution is not Necessarily True
Evolution is not Necessarily True. David D'Armond. Naperville, Illinois. Editor's Note: Mr. ... became aware of the serious scientific deficiencies of evolution as a result of changing ... 3. Scientific facts and evidence are against evolution: A. Genetics-Evolutionists have ...
http://www.truthmagazine.com/archive.../GOT020259.htm



Evidence Disproving Evolution
Thank you all very much!! Posted on 10/11/2002 9:02:01 PM PDT by gore3000. Evidence Disproving Evolution ... both in evolution and God, It is interesting that when shown scientific evidence against their theory evolutionists ... that their belief in evolution is not based on science ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/767711/posts

BTW

I find you humorous as well.

talaniman

I believe evolution to be fact ,somewhat. The thing you must remember is that whenever the facts can't explain things then man in his infinite wisdom fills in the gaps with his own impeccable logic. To a man whatever we come up with in our own mind, nobody can shake loose and we will fight to the death to preserve what ideas we think is the way it is. Most of us don't have the capacity to admit to not knowing so we defend whatever opinion hits our "logic" and present it as true. We have proven it here as well as our attitude that prevents us from SHARING ideas and concepts. I would find it really amusing if we come to find out that we all are ego tripping and none of us has a clue. No that's not thunder That's GOD laughing at our feeble attempts to understand our world. And sadly that's what we teach our children," we don't know squat but your a dumb *** for not seeing I'm righter than YOU!" End of rant.