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Old Nov 20, 2007, 02:36 PM
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"Happy Holidays"?

Okay, I wanted more opinions on this. My mom got this email and sent it to me:

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'Twas the month before Christmas when all through our
land, Not a Christian was praying nor taking a stand.

Why the PC Police had taken away,
The reason for Christmas - no one could say.

The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.

It might hurt people's feelings, the
teachers would say December 25th is just a " Holiday".

Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and
credit Pushing folks down to the floor just to get at it!

CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod
Something was changing, something quite odd!

Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa In hopes to
sell books by Franken & Fonda.

As Targets are hanging their trees upside down, At
Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.

At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears You won't
hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.

Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-is-ty
Are words that were used to intimidate me.

Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen On
Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Hillary Clinton !

At the top of the Senate, there arose
such a clatter To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.

And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith,
Forbidden to speak, of salvation and grace.

The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.

So as you celebrate "Winter Break" under your
"DreamTree" Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.


Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
I would rather say Happy whatever for each holiday then just say "Happy Holidays"
If people get so offended by saying "Merry Chirstmas" Dont they know that some people get offended if you say Happy Holidays? What do you guys think?

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Old Nov 23, 2007, 05:20 PM   #21  
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The larger majority of people celebrate Chirstmas. Thats why alot of people are fustrated.
Well, they need to grow up and get over it. Like it or not, (and obviously many don't like it) this is a pluralistic society and no one group has the right to get all bent out of shape and throw tantrums because some public references to the holidays are generic rather than sectarian. Sounds like something the Taliban would do.

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fallen2grace disagrees: I have the right to do whatever I please, as long as it isnt illigal.
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Old Nov 23, 2007, 05:27 PM   #22  
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The larger majority of people celebrate Chirstmas. Thats why alot of people are fustrated.
The mentality that majority "wins" is a dangerous one.

I for one don't have a problem with Christians refusing to patronize a store which does not say "Merry Christmas", though I think it's a petty battle to fight. People have the right to spend their dollars where they wish, but what you DON'T have the right to do is insist everyone do as YOU wish. In a capitalist society, organizations are free to run their business as they see fit; Target has "Merry Christmas" signs, Wal-Mart (I think) says "Happy Holidays". It's up to the organization, and if they feel they are being damaged so horribly by consumers not shopping there because of their choice they will change it. But I have to say, there were people camping outside of my local Best Buy last night at 7pm; and THEY say "Happy Holidays". I think it's a losing battle, but that's just me.

I've been in stores or interacted with people who end their conversation with "And you have a blessed day" or "May God bless you" or something to that effect. It doesn't bother me; I simply smile, say thank you and move on. I have a hard time understanding why (some) Christians are unable to do the same. To each their own, I suppose.

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RubyPitbull agrees: YES! Just accept the pleasantry in the spirit for which it is given, and get on with your life. Why purposedly create a hostile and negative environment when someone is being nice to you? I don't get it.
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The larger majority of people celebrate Chirstmas. Thats why alot of people are fustrated.

It's really irrelevant how many people celebrate Christmas, as the fact shows that NOT everyone does. Everyone does, however, wants to avoid irritation and people should acknowledge the fact that some are going to be offended when they say those kinds of greetings. That's why they ought to just stick with "hello" or "have a nice day". Who'd be offended at that?
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Fallen:

to paraphrase Churchill;

You have offended someone? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.


It is sad that people find Christmas, pertaining to Jesus Christ and not the commercial aspect, offensive.




Grace and Peace

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MoonlitWaves agrees: You are so right. Stores->"We will cater to all your Christmas needs, but we won't have anything to do with Christ." Need I say more?
silentrascal : I find it sad that people try and take pagan, false religous customs and then try to "pretty" them up by saying it's a celebration of Jesus.
fallen2grace agrees: Exactly. I never thought of it that way. Thank you.
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Old Nov 27, 2007, 08:53 AM   #25  
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I believe this is a two way street. I hear that stores should just keep the everyday greetings during the Christmas season because not everyone celebrates Christmas. Okay, so what about those of us who do? Why is it that we need to be respectful of those who don't by the public doing away with "Merry Christmas" greetings? Why can't those who don't celebrate Christmas be respectful of those who do? Why do Christians have to do the giving up of their traditions to please those who don't hold the same traditions? I'm not saying all of those who don't celebrate Christmas are disrespectful, I am simply saying that since respect is what we all want where is it for Christ?
Especially with stores. They make more money in one wallop during this time of the year than they do all year so why not say Merry Christmas? They provide our decorations and gifts, why then do away with saying Merry Christmas? I think those who don't celebrate Christmas should respect that some of us do, and should be okay with well wishes of a Merry Christmas. Again, I am not saying that all do have a problem with it, but why then, do some take it away? For respect for their non-beliefs? Well, where is the believers respect?
It's a two way street.
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I'm sure those who celebrate Hanukkah, Kwanza and other religious holidays feel the same way, moon.

Why is it so important a stranger acknowledge that you are a Christian?

The respect for Christ comes in how YOU celebrate the holiday; how YOU behave how YOU treat others, the kind of person YOU are - not in what some minimum wage seasonal worker says to you as you hand over your Visa.

And those stores which provide your Christmas decorations also provide other denominations their decorations and gifts too, so why do you "win" the battle of what employees say to you?

I just don't see how it is disrespectful to anyone of any denomination or no denomination to wish them a happy holiday season or tell them to have a nice day. Must be part of that "Christian Persecution" thing I don't understand.

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Originally Posted by fallen2grace
Okay, I wanted more opinions on this. My mom got this email and sent it to me:

I would rather say Happy whatever for each holiday then just say "Happy Holidays"
If people get so offended by saying "Merry Chirstmas" Dont they know that some people get offended if you say Happy Holidays? What do you guys think?
I think the important thing to remember is that this is a society based on a free economy. Those stores aren't really trying to put Christianity down. They are trying to maximize profit.

We need to vote with our dollars. Don't spend any money on any store that doesn't recognize the real meaning of Christmas. If they prefer to say, "Happy Holidays", explain to them why you won't spend your money in their establishment until they recognize the real reason for the season.

Now, many nonChristians will protest that it isn't our right. But the fact is, that it is our right as Americans. We can spend our dollars where we see fit and we can tell them why we spend our dollars where we see fit.

Sincerely,

De Maria

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De Maria,
That is a great idea. I support it 100%.
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But as Americans it is also important to recognize the diversity present within our society. If stores begin recognizing Christians by wishing everyone who passes through the store this time of year a 'Merry Christmas', that would then, in your perspective, be disrespectful to those who celebrate other holidays because the real reason for their celebration is not acknowledged. Correct?

Or does that not matter since other religions are not as signifcant, important, or deserving of recognition as Christianity?

Or do you not even see it as disrespectful when someone else's religion is not recognized, only your own? Doesn't that make you a bit arrogant? That only your holiday need be recognized, and others... well, because they're not the majority, they can just learn to deal with it? Or become Christian so it doesn't bother them anymore?
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But as Americans it is also important to recognize the diversity present within our society. If stores begin recognizing Christians by wishing everyone who passes through the store this time of year a 'Merry Christmas', that would then, in your perspective, be disrespectful to those who celebrate other holidays because the real reason for their celebration is not acknowledged. Correct?

Or does that not matter since other religions are not as signifcant, important, or deserving of recognition as Christianity?

Or do you not even see it as disrespectful when someone else's religion is not recognized, only your own? Doesn't that make you a bit arrogant? That only your holiday need be recognized, and others... well, because they're not the majority, they can just learn to deal with it? Or become Christian so it doesn't bother them anymore?
Whom are you addressing?
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