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Okay, I wanted more opinions on this. My mom got this email and sent it to me:
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'Twas the month before Christmas when all through our
land, Not a Christian was praying nor taking a stand.
Why the PC Police had taken away,
The reason for Christmas - no one could say.
The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.
It might hurt people's feelings, the
teachers would say December 25th is just a " Holiday".
Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and
credit Pushing folks down to the floor just to get at it!
CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod
Something was changing, something quite odd!
Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa In hopes to
sell books by Franken & Fonda.
As Targets are hanging their trees upside down, At
Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.
At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears You won't
hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.
Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-is-ty
Are words that were used to intimidate me.
Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen On
Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Hillary Clinton !
At the top of the Senate, there arose
such a clatter To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.
And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith,
Forbidden to speak, of salvation and grace.
The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.
So as you celebrate "Winter Break" under your
"DreamTree" Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.
Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
I would rather say Happy whatever for each holiday then just say "Happy Holidays"
If people get so offended by saying "Merry Chirstmas" Dont they know that some people get offended if you say Happy Holidays? What do you guys think?
Soldout--I hate to point this out to you, because you're on such a roll--
It's not NON-Christians that object to the phrase "Happy Holidays". Most of us don't care if you wish us "Happy Peanut Butter And Jelly Left In the Cupboard Day".
It's CHRISTIANS that object to the use of "Happy Holidays".
Most non-Christians also don't care about the lights, trees, etc. We just don't want any idiocy BACK about our traditions.
I'm not asking you to suppress your religion, you know. I'm asking you not to suppress MINE.
The reason store clerks say "Happy Holidays" is because it's a way to acknowledge ALL of the holidays in the season. The only people that get mad about that are Christians, generally. They want everyone to say "Merry Christmas".
Now--if I were a store clerk, and went according to MY beliefs, and wished everyone a great Solstice--how many people would that offend?
I think anyone should be able to wish another person a happy whatever-their-personal-holiday-is. I don't want to suppress ANY religion.
BUT--I'm ALSO not going to sit and take it if my boss instructs me to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, because I personally don't believe it.
Soldout--I hate to point this out to you, because you're on such a roll--
It's not NON-Christians that object to the phrase "Happy Holidays". Most of us don't care if you wish us "Happy Peanut Butter And Jelly Left In the Cupboard Day".
It's CHRISTIANS that object to the use of "Happy Holidays".
Most non-Christians also don't care about the lights, trees, etc. We just don't want any idiocy BACK about our traditions.
I'm not asking you to suppress your religion, you know. I'm asking you not to suppress MINE.
The reason store clerks say "Happy Holidays" is because it's a way to acknowledge ALL of the holidays in the season. The only people that get mad about that are Christians, generally. They want everyone to say "Merry Christmas".
Now--if I were a store clerk, and went according to MY beliefs, and wished everyone a great Solstice--how many people would that offend?
I think anyone should be able to wish another person a happy whatever-their-personal-holiday-is. I don't want to suppress ANY religion.
BUT--I'm ALSO not going to sit and take it if my boss instructs me to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, because I personally don't believe it.
No one wants to surpress your pagon religion but if your religion consists of 0.0000000000001% of the american population dont expect your religion to have as much prominance as one that consists of almost 80% of the Population. December for centuaries has alway been recognised in Europe, US and over 60% of the countries in the world as a time to celebrate Christmas. When muslims celebrate Ramadan i dont go around harrasing them to include my religion and not supress it. So why is that when Christians have their holiday every little religion needs to all of sudden be recognised? & for an FYI the reason December 25 is a National holiday in countries all over the world its not because of your pagon moon god i can tell you that...lol
Your religion chose December 25th to coincide with Saturnalia--back when Christians were 0.0000000001% of the population.
I'm NOT trying to suppress your religion. I'm just trying to point out that people say "Happy Holidays" because MANY religions have holidays in December. Hate to point this out to you, but Hannukah was around before Christmas, too :P
In December you have: Hannukah (Judaism); Bodhi Day (Buddhism); Eid al-adha (Islamic); Christmas (Christian); Solstice/Saturnalia/Yule (Pagan); Kwanzaa (African-American).
I don't know about you, but I count SIX holidays in that list. And "every little religion"? Yeah--because Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam are "little religions".
I don't need to be recognized, either. Is your God as close-minded as you are? I just need to not be suppressed. Religious freedom in America means ALL religions. I don't stop you from stealing my religions traditions and believing them to be your own--and I expect the same from you.
Your religion chose December 25th to coincide with Saturnalia--back when Christians were 0.0000000001% of the population.
I'm NOT trying to suppress your religion. I'm just trying to point out that people say "Happy Holidays" because MANY religions have holidays in December. Hate to point this out to you, but Hannukah was around before Christmas, too :P
In December you have: Hannukah (Judaism); Bodhi Day (Buddhism); Eid al-adha (Islamic); Christmas (Christian); Solstice/Saturnalia/Yule (Pagan); Kwanzaa (African-American).
I don't know about you, but I count SIX holidays in that list. And "every little religion"? Yeah--because Buddhism, Judaism, and Islam are "little religions".
I don't need to be recognized, either. Is your God as close-minded as you are? I just need to not be suppressed. Religious freedom in America means ALL religions. I don't stop you from stealing my religions traditions and believing them to be your own--and I expect the same from you.
okey... all those Holidays are wonderful and are free to celebrate but they obviously dont recieve the same recognision as Christmas because those religions represent fractions of a percentage of the population and most of them are not part of the Unites State's historic herritage that has always recognised Christmas, maybe you should be asking yourself why December 25 Christmas Day is National Holiday and those other ones are not.
So i think non-christians need to make up their minds. If they want to part take in our Christmas traditions, trees stanta etc, they are free to do so but they should not have double standard and demand that we call it happy holiday because it is just a holiday, its Christmas.
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okey... all those Holidays are wonderful and are free to celebrate but they obviously dont recieve the same recognision as Christmas because those religions represent fractions of a percentage of the population
Here's what your position amounts to, as I read it:
"There's more of US than of THEM, so THEY should greet EVERYBODY with best wishes for OUR holiday. If they don't, it shows that they're Anti-Christian"
Yes, Christmas is an evil holliday. I will as usual dress up in my Satan costume, light my dry pine tree on fire and dance around it with wreckless abandon. After the death dance has been completed, we will have a wild drunkin orgy and finish up by drinking the blood of a virgin.
We will then settle in the parlor where we will exchange gifts with our evil loved ones. I just love this time of year.
[quote=ordinaryguy]Here's what your position amounts to, as I read it:
[quote]"There's more of US than of THEM, so THEY should greet EVERYBODY with best wishes for OUR holiday. If they don't, it shows that they're Anti-Christian"Pathetic[/Q.UOTE]
Bingo, they already have Christmas decorations, Christmas Music playing, Santa etc in public places and the a day off, so whats big deal? Welcome to America, after all the National Holiday is on Decemeber 25th Christmas day and that is the holiday that is and always has been "nationaly" recognised even by taking the day off in this country. So like i said before, if it makes you mad that Christmas gets more recognision then you can move to a country that doesnt recognise Christmas. The are plenty of countries that don't in the middle east and Asia.
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Yes, call Him closed minded if you want, but He happens to say He is the one and Only God who created the Universe.
Maybe I'm alone here, but I think that if after 17 pages and 168 posts someone doesn't "get it"; perhaps we should stop trying to explain it.... It apparently does no good, and I don't want to get a hand cramp trying to explain it all over again.
It should just be Merry Christmas because ALL of these stores have Christmas lights, Trees, Santa etc so if they really want to be "inclusive" of all religions they should not display Christmas lights, play Christmas music e.t.c Because that means the store is sending a message that they do support Christmas anyway. so Why not say Merry Christamas.
Heh! I just saw a Vacum commertial that had a santa. and he said Happy Holidays. I laughed.
Actually, This year hasnt been so bad. I found that alot of stores say Merry Christmas. Actually all the one's iv been too havnt said it. Exept the Disny Store. But usually they just say have a nice day.
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