do you think there is a god?

ineedhelpfast · Apr 4, 2008, 11:57 AM

my view on this subject is that there is a god, if you disagree then lets discuss what you think...the second question is if there is a God, whos God is the right God...and please dont say that everyones god is the right one, because that statement is contradiction itself.

shellou · Apr 14, 2008, 07:31 PM

well i strongly belive that there is a GOD.i belive that because my life tells a story to long to explain and my experiance is a testimony in it self.GOD is not only real but he is good and mercy full and forgiving and there when ever you need him. if you dont belive me and want proof id say when you wake up in the morning while you are still laying down in your bed think,who was created first the egg or the chicken?so who created the chicken and the egg that created the chicken and so forth?a higher power>that same higher power that created the whole intier univers.stay in faith ,knock and he will answer, seek and he will show you the answers your looking for.remain in prayer and faith.....

isabelgopo · Apr 14, 2008, 07:43 PM

I grew up in a catholic family, went to church and attended catholic school for 11 years. I also read the bible 3 times. Last time a couple of years ago. I've always thought the bible was a fiction book written by racists and sexists men. Most of it has no logic whatsoever. I've looked for God, I tried to believe and have faith or find a reason for all the pain and injustice in this world. Where is God when we most need him? why did he think that women were less than men or despised homosexuality? why everytime I asked a priest, theologian or simple christians about this "incredible" bible facts their answer was "YOU JUST DONT HAVE FAITH". So, basically, I DO NOT believe in God, heaven, hell, angels, adam and eve in paradise, the virginity of Mary or magical resurrections.

shellou · Apr 14, 2008, 08:03 PM

im so sorry for what you must have went threw to make you feel this way but sweety the worst thing you could possibly do to you self if not belive.....GOD LOVES you and wants you to belive so that he can show you his love in every way possible. just relax sweety and pray that the truth about his love be revealed to you and youll be just fine.....
i promise!GOD is to good for me to have all to my self....stay in faith.....

Onan · Apr 14, 2008, 08:08 PM

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I've always thought the bible was a fiction book written by racists and sexists men. Most of it has no logic whatsoever.

You are right to think that, and it's true.

All that shows though is that God didn't have anything to do with writing the Bible, it really doesn't prove there is no God.

isabelgopo · Apr 15, 2008, 12:18 PM

what is god ?

isabelgopo · Apr 15, 2008, 03:30 PM

GOD AND SLAVERY
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

GOD AND WOMEN
We find this in 1 Corinthians chapter 14:

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Then there is this section from 1 Timothy chapter 2:

Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

GOD ANSWERING PRAYERS
In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to stop AIDS, he should do it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered. How weird, because NOTHING is impossible for God.

And finally, one of Christian's all time favorites:

ALL THE EVIL IN THE WORLD IS MEN'S FAULT

Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

If God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hitler too. It is when you stop to think about it deeply and the contradictions hit you.

Now let's imagine that you say a prayer . What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, Holocaust victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it? Yet Christians seem to attach themselves to both ideas, despite the irresolvable problem the two ideas create.

Nicole82 · Apr 15, 2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ineedhelpfast

my view on this subject is that there is a god, if you disagree then lets discuss what you think...the second question is if there is a God, whos God is the right God...and please dont say that everyones god is the right one, because that statement is contradiction itself.

Christians serve the right GOD. All these other "gods" were created by the devil to distract and decieve people.

Onan · Apr 15, 2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

there is no racism in the bible at all, in fact it the old testement even has marriage of people of different races. As for as women, women were highly respected and men and women each had thier place.

I know your a preacher/priest/father(not sure which one) and I respect that, but when you make statements like this you come off looking like you have never read the Bible. It's true there were some mixed marriages but there was a lot said against it in the OT. Even the NT crucifiction story is antisemitic and the cause of a lot of hate towards the Jews throughout the years.

Women were not respected at all in the Bible, and they still arent throughout the middle east.

Nicole82 · Apr 15, 2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by isabelgopo

GOD AND SLAVERY
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

GOD AND WOMEN
We find this in 1 Corinthians chapter 14:

As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Then there is this section from 1 Timothy chapter 2:

Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

GOD ANSWERING PRAYERS
In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to stop AIDS, he should do it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God cures every case of cancer on the planet tomorrow. Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.
Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered. How weird, because NOTHING is impossible for God.

And finally, one of Christian's all time favorites:

ALL THE EVIL IN THE WORLD IS MEN'S FAULT

Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

If God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hitler too. It is when you stop to think about it deeply and the contradictions hit you.

Now let's imagine that you say a prayer . What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, Holocaust victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it? Yet Christians seem to attach themselves to both ideas, despite the irresolvable problem the two ideas create.

GOD knows our future but everyone has free will... HE knows the choices we will make before we make them. If you knew what would happen before it happened wouldnt you plan for it!!!! He doesnt make anyone do wrong or right. GOD loves us and it is his will that no man perish but have eternal life in Heaven.



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