do you think there is a god?

ineedhelpfast · Apr 4, 2008, 12:57 PM

my view on this subject is that there is a god, if you disagree then lets discuss what you think...the second question is if there is a God, whos God is the right God...and please dont say that everyones god is the right one, because that statement is contradiction itself.

sassyT · May 7, 2008, 03:29 PM

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I feel bad, because you are only showing your ignorance of the evolutionary process. We didn't evolve from apes! We simply shared a common ancestor with them. Apes evolved from this same common ancestor just as we have

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Aww dont feel bad, you dont need to because i probaby know more than you. If an ape and a human share a common ancestor that means the ancestor must have had ape like charactoristics, hence we evolved from an ape like ancestor. So i suppose the apes just forgot to evolve with the rest of us.

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We shouldn't expect to see a half-ape/half-man like animal. Please try and learn a little about evolution before making a fool of yourself with questions like this.

I think you have just desplayed more foolishness with this statement. We should definately expect a transitional form of an ape becoming a man if evolution holds true.

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Not a single one of them does!

what are you talking about? i just quoted 4 eminent scientists admitting the lack of fosil evidence.

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What they DO admit is the truth. There are distinct gaps in the fossil record most notably the 'Cambrian explosion'. During this time complicated organisms appeared to have arrived on the scene in an unexplained burst of evolution. More than one would expect. There are several 'guesses' for how this might be accounted for. One is called 'Punctuated Equilibrium' which leads us to Gould

and yet you claim evolution is fact.

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You do yourself no favors by quoting Stephen Gould who was himself (if I'm not mistaken), an atheist. If I'm wrong about that, whatever else he was, he most certainly was NOT a theist who believed in a Creator! Gould very much accepted the Theory of Evolution! There are disagreements over something called, 'punctuated equilibrium' that continue to this day.

..lol well duh! that is what i was trying to prove. That even Evolutionists themselves (Gould) have admitted to the lacking fossil evidence.

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There's a reason that just about every respectable biologist (indeed, just about every respected scientist), alive today FULLY accepts evolution

Yes evolution is generally accepted but that does not make it fact. It was generally accepted at one point that the earth was flat. So..
There are so many biologists (soon i will be one of them) who dont buy into evolution, atleast not the ones who dont have an agenda to further propagate the non scienitific claims of Darwin. Darwin was not even a scientist..lol He was a trained minister who decided to find an alternative to God and thus many athiestic scientists have held fast to the theory to aviod the alternative.

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The evidence is positively overwhelming and undeniable Sassy. You just need to put away all that creationist propaganda for a sec, and start reading from credible sources.

You need to stop relying on evolution propaganda yourself and just use your brain and you will see what a joke it is. Undeniable...? Gravity is undenaible, evolution is every deniable.
According to evolution i share a common ancestor with a fruit fly..lol it takes way more faith to believe that. Even my five year old niece would laugh at that.

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I doubt this person is an accredited scientist. No scientist would be so ignorant of how science works. You don't ever prove things in science! You can only make predictions. So far, not a single prediction that The Theory of Evolution makes has been falsified. If anything, its predictions right down to molecular biology have been shown to be more accurate than Darwin himself could have imagined!

Gravity is proven fact. You can prove gravity beyond a shadow of a doubt so it is a FACT. the fact that i am sitting on my chair right now is proof of gravity, i can not deny it.
Evolution is not a proven fact. I just wish you would be reasonable and rational enough to admitt and accept this.

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Seriously... I'm not sure why, but I kind of like you from your posts. You seem like a nice person who is very sincere. But you should stop talking about this stuff, because you are making an incredible fool of yourself. We don't just use carbon dating, but many, many, different methods. All these methods use different clocks, each independently calibrated to an entirely different set of principles. And ALL OF THEM point to the earth being around 4 BILLION years old! Again, you are reading from creationist propaganda. Stick with things you know about before making asinine assertions like this.

Quote form encyclopedia Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Modern geologists consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion years (4.54×109 years).[1] This age has been determined by radiometric age dating of meteorite material[2] and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.

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Ofcourse convieniently the same people who want to sell the 4billions year old planet create other models of dating that suit their argument. At one point scientists claimed the earth was 70 million years old untill they realised that evolution needed far more years to make it even nearly plausible. How convienient.
It would be nice for you to just admitt that you posess an increadible amount of faith in the the premises and asssuptions used in science. The assuptions used are unverifiable so why should i believe them? Why should i believe the earth is 4 billion years old? It is not a fact.

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You'll have a long wait, because once again, nothing is ever 'proven' in science. You simply don't understand science and I can only suggest again that you read up a little about these subjects from credible sources. Good luck to you!

i dont know what kind of science you've studied then.

Capuchin · May 7, 2008, 04:05 PM

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So i suppose the apes just forgot to evolve with the rest of us.

Ahahahaha? Really? And you claim to have studied biology... sheeeeesh.

Apes that we see today are just as "well evolved" as humans are. So are all the fish and the insects and the microbes. Apes we see today are just as distant from that shared ancestor as we are. Just a different set of evolutionary pressures were put on them, so they evolved differently.

lobrobster · May 7, 2008, 04:44 PM

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If an ape and a human share a common ancestor that means the ancestor must have had ape like charactoristics,...

I'm not your biology teacher, but I'd give you an 'F' for this statement. Do you see what's wrong with it? It contains a glaring error! I'm not going to keep giving you answers, since you obviously don't trust what I've got to say anyway. But you should try to figure it out if you want to have any chance of actually becoming a biologist.

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So i suppose the apes just forgot to evolve with the rest of us.

Another 'F'!!

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We should definately expect a transitional form of an ape becoming a man if evolution holds true.

I don't think you appreciate just how lucky we are to have any fossils at all. And for the last time... Ape DID NOT BECOME MAN!!! It's not my job to educate you, Sassy. If you're truly studying to become a biologist, hopefully you'll understand evolution one day and look back at how silly your views about it once were.

sassyT · May 8, 2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

Ahahahaha? Really? And you claim to have studied biology... sheeeeesh.

Apes that we see today are just as "well evolved" as humans are. So are all the fish and the insects and the microbes. Apes we see today are just as distant from that shared ancestor as we are. Just a different set of evolutionary pressures were put on them, so they evolved differently.

so the myth goes...

NeedKarma · May 8, 2008, 07:44 AM

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so the myth goes...

Apparently you believe there exists a vast conspiracy involving millions of scientists from different countries and races over centuries of time. Interesting take on the matter.

sassyT · May 8, 2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lobrobster

I'm not your biology teacher, but I'd give you an 'F' for this statement. Do you see what's wrong with it? It contains a glaring error! I'm not going to keep giving you answers, since you obviously don't trust what I've got to say anyway. But you should try to figure it out if you want to have any chance of actually becoming a biologist. Another 'F'!! I don't think you appreciate just how lucky we are to have any fossils at all. And for the last time... Ape DID NOT BECOME MAN!!! It's not my job to educate you, Sassy. If you're truly studying to become a biologist, hopefully you'll understand evolution one day and look back at how silly your views about it once were.

really..? That first guy looks like an ape to me.

Capuchin · May 8, 2008, 08:03 AM

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mmm.. really .... That first guy looks like an ape to me.

Oh noes, popularised science is not totally accurate, whatever shall we do?

retsoksirhc · May 8, 2008, 08:09 AM

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Oh noes, popularised science is not totally accurate, whatever shall we do?

What are you talking about? ALL of popular science is COMPLETELY accurate, ALL the time.
That's why string theory is still in it's original form, and explains how the universe works at a quantum level.

michealb · May 8, 2008, 08:17 AM

So if evolution is a myth what are the alternatives? If you think it's creationism where is the evidence? Where is the one fossil that supports creationism over evolution? How can a perfect all knowning being design an imperfect world? Even if it was humans that messed it up, if he designed us he should have known we were going to mess it up and designed us so that we wouldn't mess it up.

sassyT · May 8, 2008, 08:52 AM

The bottom line is i respect all people's faith. But plse dont make such claims that evolution is scientific fact when there is hardly any solid evidence for it. The scientific problems and inconsistancies of this theory are so overwhelmly obvious that it is facing collapse on all fronts. The only thing holding the tattered theory together is the powerful desire of millions of people to hold on to the notion of evolution, regardless of its scientific weakness, because the alternative is unthinkable to its practitioners.
There is a clear agenda here, evident from some of the quotes we have heard from evolutionists.

Professor LT More University of Cincinati said " Our Faith in the doctrine of evolution depends upon our reluctance to accept the antagonistic doctrine of special creation."

"Evolution is a theory universally accepted, not because it can be proved to be true, but because the only alternative, 'special creation,' is clearly impossible." said by D.M.S. Watson, Professor of Zoology, London University



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