Do you know about Stigmata?

SkyGem · Feb 2, 2008, 07:43 AM

There is a stigmata-bearer in California. Visit here for more information:

Blessed Tiffany

http://www.tiffanysnow.com/

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Wondergirl · Feb 2, 2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

That has been the problem for many in this world. Their faith is too weak

That's very unBiblical.

So my faith in HER as a healer is what is too weak?

SkyGem · Feb 2, 2008, 08:48 PM

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Stigmata can be faked - there is enough proof to that. A person who has genuine stigmata is not out there making money off of their gift. St. Francis of Assisi was a stigmatic and I never read where he made a dollar from his stigmata.

I can understand where a non-Catholic can have this. It is just when someone gives themselves the title "blessed" the skeptic in me comes out very strong. I would never call this Tiffany and pay for her wisdom.

It is incredible that a group such as you would try to cast stones at one who professes God and His work right on her website. And about St. Francis, yes, he was a holy person who was meek yet powerful in his ways. But one must remember that in those days Friars, which St. Francis was, would usually live in the church and had food and shelter provided for them. Today, a person with stigmata is usually not that fortunate. In order to help others they must surely charge for their time, not for the spiritual healing services. If they did not, they would have to work elsewhere and thereby deny those who went seeking their services. By the way, Blessed Tiffany set up a center in order to help people and guess what? That costs money. Plenty of money. But then I am sure most of you have never heard of famous preachers who also ask for money in order to continue their ministry and reach across the globe with their spiritual services, have you?

Even in a church, a collection box is passed each time a service is held. If it were not that way, the priests or ministers could not possibly keep the church going as that is usually the only way by raising money to keep it afloat. So, let's put things in their proper perspective for a change.

And to make a correction, Blessed Tiffany says in her website that people often call her "Blessed". Therefore, it is a name that people, I'm sure after seeing her holy work, have decided is fitting and proper to call her. But again, there is no one forcing any of you to do anything you do not want to do. The information is simply there for your reading and consideration on the Internet.

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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.

Capuchin · Feb 2, 2008, 08:53 PM

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But then I am sure most of you have never heard of famous preachers who also ask for money in order to continue their ministry and reach across the globe with their spiritual services, have you?

Of course I have, I believe they are preying on the gullible too.

SkyGem · Feb 2, 2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

That's very unBiblical.

So my faith in HER as a healer is what is too weak?

I can now see that you obviously do not know that God is the only healer in all situations. You do not have to have faith in her but in the work that God does through her. Jesus (God in the Second Person of the Holy Trinity) is the actual healer. Again, I would ask you if you have ever seen an evangelist during a healing session? Do you believe it is he who is actually doing the healing or God through him? I feel you may very well believe it is the man rather than the Deity.

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Capuchin · Feb 2, 2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

I can now see that you obviously do not know that God is the only healer in all situations. You do not have to have faith in her but in the work that God does through her. Jesus (God in the Second Person of the Holy Trinity) is the actual healer. Again, I would ask you if you have ever seen an evangelist during a healing session? Do you believe it is he who is actually doing the healing or God through him? I feel you may very well believe it is the man rather than the Deity.

This is interesting, when we take medicine, is it God healing through the drugs?

Wondergirl · Feb 2, 2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyGem

I can now see that you obviously do not know that God is the only healer in all situations. You do not have to have faith in her but in the work that God does through her. Jesus (God in the Second Person of the Holy Trinity) is the actual healer. Again, I would ask you if you have ever seen an evangelist during a healing session? Do you believe it is he who is actually doing the healing or God through him? I feel you may very well believe it is the man rather than the Deity.

Sorry. You're barking up the wrong tree.

Of course, I know God is the One Who heals. He heals all the time, every day, even when we don't ask.

SkyGem · Feb 2, 2008, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Capuchin

This is interesting, when we take medicine, is it God healing through the drugs?

Who do you think gave man the intelligence in the first place with which to make the drugs which assist in the healing process? Medicine comes from plants and herbs mostly. Who do you think creates the plants and herbs that heal? By that same token, who made the animals (that can provide for successful vaccines used in healing) and the ocean from where we can harvest many vitamins, food and drugs as well? It all comes from God.

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God's Word is indeed *infallible*. It's man's mis-interpretation and re-interpretation of it that I am concerned about.

SkyGem · Feb 2, 2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Sorry. You're barking up the wrong tree.

You opened that door.

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Wondergirl · Feb 2, 2008, 09:49 PM

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You opened that door.

No. All I said was that saying weak faith is the reason for lack of healing is unBiblical.

SkyGem · Feb 3, 2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wondergirl

No. All I said was that saying weak faith is the reason for lack of healing is unBiblical.

Since you have said that and obviously believe that, let me prove you wrong with Biblical Scriptures.

"For by grace are ye saved through Faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God." -- Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)

".... Verily I say unto you, If ye have Faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed .... it shall be done." -- MATTHEW 21:21 (KJV)

"God hath dealt to every man the measure of Faith." -- ROMANS 12:3 (KJV)

"That your Faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." -- 1 CORINTHIANS 2:5 (KJV)

"But without Faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must Believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him." -- HEBREWS 11:6 (KJV)

"Therefore being justified by Faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." -- ROMANS 5:1 (KJV)

"Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." -- HEBREWS 11:1 (KJV)

"Let us hold fast the profession of our Faith Without Wavering for he is faithful that promised" -- HEBREWS 10:23 (KJV)

"That the communication of thy Faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus." -- PHILEMON 6 (KJV)

"For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from Faith to Faith: as it is written, The just shall live by FAITH." -- ROMANS 1:17 (KJV)

But let me go a little further to show you the exact Scriptures that make it unequivocally known that without FAITH, one cannot heal.

"Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of FAITH Shall Save the Sick, and the Lord shall raise him up." -- JAMES 5:14-15 (KJV)

"And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve y ears, came behind Him (Jesus), and touched the hem of His garment: For she said within herself, if I may but touch His garment, I shall be whole. But Jesus turned him about and when He saw her, He said, Daughter, be of good comfort, THY FAITH HATH MADE THEE WHOLE." -- MATTHEW 9:20-22 (KJV)

"And when He was come into the house, the blind men came to Him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched He their eyes, saying, According to your FAITH be it unto you." -- MATTHEW 9:28-29 (KJV)

So, you can now put aside that notion that faith does not play an important role in healing. You can now plainly see that FAITH is the most important element in any healing. And it is indeed BIBLICAL!

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