Is this a Christian nation or NOT

excon · Mar 19, 2008, 07:45 AM

Hello Christians:

We have a nice argument going on about Obamas pastor. Most people think he's a separatist. I dunno that he's not.....

But my questions are about YOU. Does YOUR church teach that America is a Christian nation? Certainly, my experience on these boards tell me that it’s not an unpopular belief among Christians. Do you believe it? If you don't, and you hear it in church, do you say anything about it? Do you stay in that church? If your church doesn't teach that, do you know of other churches that do? What do you do about that?

Do you think that the belief that America is a Christian nation is a belief that divides us, or brings us together? Do you care?

excon

De Maria · Mar 19, 2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RickJ

I think the idea that America is (or was) a Christian nation
1. Has never been true, so is a huge urban legend, and
2. Does more to divide than bring us together.

Our nation was founded with the presumption that there is a God but that's about as far as it goes.

Sort of related but sort of not: Even the founding fathers were unclear about their faith and even hypocritical in that they affirmed equality and "inalienable rights" yet many had slaves.

Although some of the founding Fathers were Deists, they were Christians in the sense that they believed and followed the teachings of Jesus Christ. And when they forged the Constitution, they based it on Christian principles.

Sincerely,

De Maria

Allheart · Mar 19, 2008, 07:15 PM

But what does it matter. Sorry, I don't and I mean this with all truth...what does it matter any disrespect.
In the end, we know, we all will receive the information to make a choice to beleive or not to beleive.

I am so sorry to say that I just don't want the two to mix. If my President says I can do something, and my faith says otherwise, I hope I make the choice based on faith.

Some things need to stay earthly - Just my opinion.

tomder55 · Mar 20, 2008, 05:18 AM

Scott be fair . Had they tried to resolve the question of slavery at the 1787 convention this country would never had been founded. I don't call it a wiff . It is more like a punt.

George_1950 · Mar 20, 2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

I totally agree. The time was not yet ripe to deal with that question. But that doesn't change the fact that it was still an unChristian principle that became part of this nation's birth.

Upon what do you say that slavery is "...an unChristian principle..."?

excon · Mar 20, 2008, 06:06 AM

Hello again:

Please. I'm not interested in WHY you think this is a Christian nation. We've been over that ground before, and you’re patently wrong.

But, I really want you to answer the SOCIAL questions I raised about your belief - not the RELIGIOUS ones.

excon

George_1950 · Mar 20, 2008, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by excon

Hello Christians:

We have a nice argument going on about Obamas pastor. Most people think he's a separatist. I dunno that he's not.....

But my questions are about YOU. Does YOUR church teach that America is a Christian nation? Certainly, my experience on these boards tell me that it’s not an unpopular belief among Christians. Do you believe it? If you don't, and you hear it in church, do you say anything about it? Do you stay in that church? If your church doesn't teach that, do you know of other churches that do? What do you do about that?

Do you think that the belief that America is a Christian nation is a belief that divides us, or brings us together? Do you care?

excon

I have never heard a pastor in the church I attend say we are a Christian nation; we have never recited the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, that I recall. My impression is that most pastors are not concerned with ginning interest in politics. In fact, I've never heard a pastor say remember to vote.
Someone above made a good point: A nation can not be baptized, therefore it can't be a Christian. I suppose Constantine took a different view, but that was in another place and time. I believe most mainline Protestant and white churches hold to the separation of church and state. For all the palaver about President Bush and his faith, you never see an ad where he is saying go to church this Sunday, or anything like that.
The U.S. is primarily and fundamentally an offshoot of England. As such, it is a nation of law, not faith. The cornerstone, IMHO, is the Declaration of Independence, upon which the constitution and laws protecting the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are based.

George_1950 · Mar 20, 2008, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottGem

Are you saying that Slavery is a Christain principle?

Dear Scott: Are you answering a question with a question?



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