Donna Mae posted in topic "Is there a God?" :

"I believe it as soon as I see it. The problem with this statement is that when you see it (the Judgement), it will be to late to believe then".

Besides that that only MAY BE TRUE (as it is subject to the existence of that deity which many of you call "God", and if there is any judgement at all), there is another problem with this point of view.

YOU may believe in the existence of God, and in the powers and features attributed to God, but if you don't believe in the existence of (your and any other) God : what can one do?

Born into a Christian family I rejected the belief in (any) God(s) at the early age of 12 years.
I did not change any other habits and viewpoints. I have not murdered anyone, pay my dues where demanded from me, do a lot of unpaid volunteer activities, am a member of an international disaster team, still help old women to the other side of the street (if they want to go there), and am open to other views (i.e. also to Christianity). But I do not believe in the existence of God.

Donna may be correct. Or she may not be correct. It is the wellknown ´Wager of Pascal`.
Should I fake it than? Would an omniscient God not know I would fake it?

Most of you are all 99,999.999.999.999.999% (1) convinced that there is that deity called God with all these characteristic descibed to it, while I am 99,999.999.999.999.999% (1) convinced that the deity called God does not exist, and that there is no ´Satan`, that there are no ´Heaven and Hell`, that there is no ´Final Judgement`, etc.

Besides that everyone should be allowed to believe whatever ´feels good`, you can not force a belief upon yourself or another. I do not see any reason neither to even try to change my position. But I respect whatever you believe in.

All I do not respect are the conclusions some of you draw from your religious beliefs. Like a 6000 years old earth, or the creation myth converted into anti evolution attack (a rather intolerant approach towards those of other views, while creationists demand full tolerance towards their own views (but most of the time fail to provide themselves towards those of other views). Just as you are allowed in your belief(s), I am allowed in what I feel right !
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Now what can (and-or should) one really do if one does not believe in (and or questions) the existence of God?
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(1) 99,999.999.999.999.999% : sassyT claims that there is nothing you can know 100%, so 99,999.999.999.999.999% than
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firmbeliever

Questioning the existence of an Almighty being is not wrong,that question could lead to research and you could be on a path of discovery of the Truth.

If you do not find the truth while you are alive,you will find the truth after death,whether the believers in an afterlife is right or those that disbelieved in an afterlife is right.You will also find answers to the question,"is there an Almighty?" beyond death,until then it is your right to search or research.

And just to let you know,Hinduism does not believe in many Gods,but they believe in One Supreme God,who manifests in different forms.

Credendovidis

1 - I´ve done enough research on that in my life. And my conclusion is clear : hamna evidence, so no truth to discover, other than that there is no proof for the existence of God !
2 - Not really. Only if theists are correct that is so. If Atheists are correct all thoughts will disappear upon dying. All we both will see is that tunnel vision with the white light at the end (a physical reaction to the brain starving of oxygen) ...
3 - I have to disagree : There is a wide range of Hindu perceptions towards God. Some Hindu´s indeed have one main god (Brahman). Others make a distinct difference between multiple Gods. Hinduism is actually a collection of many different religions.

ScottGem

My feeling on this is that it doesn't matter whether you believe in God or not. What really matters is how you live your life. If you live your life by the Golden Rule, if you are basically honest and ethical (sorry ex-Gov Spitzer ), then even if there is the proverbial judgement day, whoever is doing the judgement is going to look at how you lived, not what you believed.

Fr_Chuck

There is a far difference from not beleiving personally and going out of your way to attack and try to weaken the faith of others, One is a personal beleif, the other shows a more dark side, determined to fight against God. In fighting against God, you show you actually beleive he exists but refuse to accept him, and beyond accepting him, you wish to battle against him.

God made it very easy, as jesus said, you are either for him or you are against him.

Can as Scott said, a person who is not religioius ( Christian, Muslim, Buddist) live a good life, yes, they can in all aspects do good works, give to the poor, they can even go into churches and be deacons

But to that, they do good works for the benifit of doing good works.

Even a Christian does not do the good works to earn any place in heaven.
but they do good works because they wish to follow the example of Christ.

Donna Mae

If you believe in God or if you don't, it is your decision. All we can do is tell you what we believe. I believe in God because I choose to study God's word so that I will know what the truth is. You will probably never come to accept Jesus unless you want to. Know one can force you to read the Bible to see that Jesus is our Savior, and may be you wouldn't believe even if you read it.

Our only job is to warn people of the coming of Jesus, what they do with that information is between them and God. God is the one who adds to His flock, not me. I want to warn as many as I can about the Judgement because on that day I don't want someone to say to me, why didn't you tell me about Jesus? You knew the truth, why didn't you tell me? How sad that would be.

Everyone has free will, if you choose to believe, if you don't, that's up to you. I think God doesn't want us to be pests about it because He said to warn someone, once. Then warn them a second time, if they don't accept then, wipe the dust from your feet and move on.

I really get discouraged on here because I think I do spend to much time in arguments and lengthy discussions. I need to just inform those who want to know about God and Christ and that's all.

ScottGem

The problem I have with this, Donna, is that you BELIEVE its the truth, but you can't prove it. What happens with proselytizers like you is that you tend to have this self-righteous attitude that you know the truth and anyone who doesn't believe in it is wrong. This shows a lack of respect for other people which turns people off and ends up in arguments and bad feelings.

I am happy for you that you have found what you feel is the truth. I am glad it gives you comfort. But please don't tell me that I am not comfortable in my beliefs. Its one thing to tell people what you believe, its a different thing to attack what others believe. And that's the line that too many people cross. I haven't read too much of what you have posted so I'm not sure whether you cross that line, but from what I've read, you come very close to it.

Donna Mae

Sorry, but I don't have anything to prove. I state God's facts. What you do with it is up to you.

Fr_Chuck

I cross that line all the time, since it is my duty and job to let others know the joy they are missing by not having Christ in thier life.
And from the testomony of 1000's that did not know and latter found Christ, we know as a fact that people without him are missing things in thier life. But in the end it is always the persons choice to accept or reject, but it is the duty and obligation of the Christian to give you the information so that you decide.

Choux

Chuck,

FundiEv Christianity in America is all about POLITICS.....therefore, 'you all' get challenged because of your political side, as you rightly should!

"Christianity" is politics, now. All decent Americans can challenge whatever you say.