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Asked Feb 21, 2007, 05:34 PM — 20 Answers
I met this guy a couple months already. We started of as friends but then it became more intimate and sexual. At first, I didn't want to take the relationship seriously as we are only working in this country tentatively and we will be going on our separate ways. Prior to our relationship, he was already scheduled to go home in 5 months. He became my confidante and he to me. I told him all my hang ups from my past including that of being a sexually abused kid including men giving up on me after promising not to let go. And he made a promise he will not give up on me and that he will help me recover. He did actually helped me overcome my sexual inhibitions and sex issues and I became comfortable with my own sexuality.

However, my self esteem and insecurities increased during the time we were together. First, fear because he will be leaving soon. Second, threatened because he was very honest with me telling me his past relationships that he has had several women sometimes 3 at the same time. He has a pregnant girlfriend back home waiting while he is ing me and another one with his daughter and he has other kids in the past as well from different women. But he said that I'm the the last woman in his life because he found already what he was looking for...someone he can share his secrets and be comfortable with. However, his honesty just made the situation worst for I became doubtful of his love and intentions for me. His complicated life made it more difficult for me to accept. His leaving home made matters worst.

The last two months before he left were horrible and he became an , irritable and we fight a lot. Sex was good and we often had sex but we never get to talk on anything. I've broken up with him many times but he never want to give up. He said he made a promise and he will keep it. He said that even if we are separated by distance he will not give up on me and we will continue our relationship because he loves me. He went home last november to his girlfriend and his other women to visit his kids. He was very honest in telling me about his whereabouts and activities with other women and at the same time always telling me he loves me. It was very difficult for me and I went through depression and had difficulty sleeping thinking he is sleeping with his girlfriend. I again tried to break up with him but he was always persistent.

Then he left home for another assignment to a new country, not very far from where I am now. It is a relief for me since he won't be with his past women. He talked about us being together again, and that our love will flourish and to have vision always of us being together. I did actually believe somehow and ready to give up everything I have here to go to him. But when I asked him if he can come first as financially I can't make it on april as I have other commitments, he wrote me an email saying that he can't come because of his job and he never offered anything to help me go to him. I felt really bad and here I am ready to give up everything and he can't give up anything for me including his 2 women back home. He always say that he loves the 3 of us but to a different level. But since I'm the one who has no kid with him, I feel like I'm the least priority. I feel like I was just used for sex, a sidetrip while he has no one. And in his email he compared me to his other 2 women saying that they are both understanding and very supportive of his career whereas I'm not. He says I'm already getting obsessed with him as my world already revolves around him and that I need psychological help and end his email with 'still I will not give up on you'. That really hurt me so much as he said this after I'm already starting to make demands. I did not communicate with him for 3 weeks.

And last week he called me, I answered the phone and we talked. I said I'm moving on without him its enough. And he said he is not giving up and that he loves me, we are in this together. I don't want to believe anything anymore as he always lie to his women. I thought I was doing okay but after our conversation, all these negative thoughts and doubts poured in again - on why he still don't want to give up. A thought kept on coming to my mind, its because of the money. He left all of his appliances to me so I can use it while I'm still here but that ill have to sell it when I leave this march and give him the money. It is huge amount of money and he has an inventory of things. That is only the reason that I can think of why he probably don't want to let go. But then he kept on calling me again asking why I'm not answering his emails etc. And again he felt so frustrated now why I don't believe him that he loves me and won't give up etc. He said that he felt empty without me. He is not giving up.

Im now so confused. For the this first time in my life, here is a person who doesn't want to give up on me, I've been praying for this to happen and yet why am I not happy with it, why am I doubting ad pushing him away. I accept that I am afraid of losing him for he is the only person who tries very hard to understand me and accept me. Yet I am very doubtful of him because of his past. He said that I met him given his past complicated life already and that I shouldn't be using it againes him.

I don't know what to do. You think he will never let go? You think he really loves me? You think I should hold on and give it a shot? I've decided to play along with it and not expecting that we will ever be together again.

What to do?

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Feb 21, 2007, 08:30 PM
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I met this guy a couple months already. We started of as friends but then it became more intimate and sexual. At first, I didn't want to take the relationship seriously as we are only working in this country tentatively and we will be going on our separate ways. Prior to our relationship, he was already scheduled to go home in 5 months. He became my confidante and he to me. I told him all my hang ups from my past including that of being a sexually abused kid including men giving up on me after promising not to let go. And he made a promise he will not give up on me and that he will help me recover. He did actually helped me overcome my sexual inhibitions and sex issues and I became comfortable with my own sexuality.
Well I'm not a therapist but I wonder if you purposely but at a sort of unconscious level got involved with this man because he had absolutely nothing to offer you and wasn't going to be around forever which gave you a way to get out but since he promised he would never let you go it gave you a reason to let your guard down. In other words he promised unconditional love but still an opportunity to make no real commitment.

It sounds like your upset that others couldn't grant you some unconditional love but then let you go. I don't think you can ever expect that a love will be like that. I think you have to always be aware that it could end. Personally, I don't believe love can be unconditional. There are always conditions. If a person you love starts hitting you then its over. You must end the relationship.

Using those same guidelines Id say your relationship is over. Because it never really was. He's already got a girlfriend. Two of them actually. That is not love, only hope for love.

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I met this guy a couple months already. We started of as friends but then it However, my self esteem and insecurities increased during the time we were together. First, fear because he will be leaving soon. Second, threatened because he was very honest with me telling me his past relationships that he has had several women sometimes 3 at the same time. He has a pregnant girlfriend back home waiting while he is ing me and another one with his daughter and he has other kids in the past as well from different women. But he said that I'm the the last woman in his life because he found already what he was looking for...someone he can share his secrets and be comfortable with. However, his honesty just made the situation worst for I became doubtful of his love and intentions for me. His complicated life made it more difficult for me to accept. His leaving home made matters worst.
Reread that last paragraph. There's nothing in there that suggests this is even a relationship. Its just a hook up. You may like him and to be fair he may like you but he's got two other girls and another life that your not even allowed to participate in.

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The last two months before he left were horrible and he became an , irritable and we fight a lot. Sex was good and we often had sex but we never get to talk on anything. I've broken up with him many times but he never want to give up. He said he made a promise and he will keep it. He said that even if we are separated by distance he will not give up on me and we will continue our relationship because he loves me. He went home last november to his girlfriend and his other women to visit his kids. He was very honest in telling me about his whereabouts and activities with other women and at the same time always telling me he loves me. It was very difficult for me and I went through depression and had difficulty sleeping thinking he is sleeping with his girlfriend. I again tried to break up with him but he was always persistent.
I think your right to break up with him. I think it is you who should be persistent and make this permanent.
He just wants someone to be with when he's near you. When he's not he's got other girls on his mind.

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I felt really bad and here I am ready to give up everything and he can't give up anything for me including his 2 women back home.
Thats telling.

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He always say that he loves the 3 of us but to a different level.
PAH - LEASE! Please stop buying this line. That's all it is, a line.

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but since I'm the one who has no kid with him, I feel like I'm the least priority.
I don't think you're a priority at all, I think your just available. You want a guy that can commit to you. This is NOT that guy.

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I feel like I was just used for sex, a sidetrip while he has no one.
I think you're right. I think you should open up to yourself so that you can learn to trust some of your own feelings. Your emotions are doing a great job for you and telling you something's wrong. You just have to listen to them.

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and in his email he compared me to his other 2 women saying that they are both understanding and very supportive of his career whereas I'm not.
Well good for them. The decisions they make for there lives have no impact on yours.

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he says I'm already getting obsessed with him as my world already revolves around him and that I need psychological help and end his email with 'still I will not give up on you'. That really hurt me so much as he said this after I'm already starting to make demands.
He is a complete and utter a$$. He's playing with your emotions trying to trick you into staying with him and on top of that accept his other two girlfriends. He's a snake, he's a cheat, and he's a coward. You do not need this guy or these kind of behaviors.

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I did not communicate with him for 3 weeks.
I wish that was permanent.

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and last week he called me, I answered the phone and we talked. I said I'm moving on without him its enough. And he said he is not giving up and that he loves me, we are in this together. I don't want to believe anything anymore as he always lie to his women. I thought I was doing okay but after our conversation, all these negative thoughts and doubts poured in again - on why he still don't want to give up. A thought kept on coming to my mind, its because of the money. He left all of his appliances to me so I can use it while I'm still here but that ill have to sell it when I leave this march and give him the money. It is huge amount of money and he has an inventory of things. That is only the reason that I can think of why he probably don't want to let go. But then he kept on calling me again asking why I'm not answering his emails etc. And again he felt so frustrated now why I don't believe him that he loves me and won't give up etc. He said that he felt empty without me. He is not giving up.
Hes a user. He's a manipulator. He's out for only himself.

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I'm now so confused. For the this first time in my life, here is a person who doesn't want to give up on me, I've been praying for this to happen and yet why am I not happy with it, why am I doubting ad pushing him away. I accept that I am afraid of losing him for he is the only person who tries very hard to understand me and accept me.
Yeah you want a guy who isn't going to give up. But that guy should not be giving up because he's a good guy that can take care of you. That guy should be with you because he enjoys spending time with you ALL the time not for a couple months here and there. This is not that guy.

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yet I am very doubtful of him because of his past. He said that I met him given his past complicated life already and that I shouldn't be using it againes him.
Hes the one using words against you, not the other way around. What's worse is he's not using that line that your using words against when he's doing it to muddy the waters.

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I don't know what to do. You think he will never let go?
If you flat out tell him its over and leave me alone then don't answer his calls, emails, etc.

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you think he really loves me?
No.

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you think I should hold on and give it a shot? I've decided to play along with it and not expecting that we will ever be together again.

What to do?
I don't think you should give it a shot. I think you should let it go.
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Feb 21, 2007, 09:07 PM
Just accept this relationship for what it was - the friend with benefits. Only it does not sound like too many great benefits. He could never emotionally attach to you - he had too many other projects going on - we used to call it "irons in the fire". Just think - if he could be there having sex with you, while his pregnant girlfriend was back at home - what was he going to do to you, if you became pregnant?

Of course he wanted you to hang in there, that he was not going to give up on you. He knew just what to say to keep you on the hook. He knew it was no long term investment, just some sex on the side.

The loving three women on different levels? What a load of baloney. I am sure he believes it but how are you suppose to deal with that? His heart would not be totally with you. He has created an emotional dependence for you that you were sucked right into. You still are sucked into his b.s.

It is up to you to walk away, because as long as he knows he can wiggle his finger and there you are, he has you. He is someone (I cannot call him a man) who wants it all and wants it now, irregardless of cost to the person(s) he is involved with.

Please, please, let him go his own way and you go yours. Do not call him, do not answer his calls. Do not email him, do not even open his emails to you. Avoid contact. Get involved in other activities that do not involve him. It is called getting a new approach to life. If you have not done so, I would hope you get some professional help, in finding out why you are attracted to this man, and still are attracted to him. Men like him are plentiful, so be careful.
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Feb 21, 2007, 09:12 PM
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Well I’m not a therapist but I wonder if you purposely but at a sort of unconscious level got involved with this man because he had absolutely nothing to offer you and wasn’t going to be around forever which gave you a way to get out but since he promised he would never let you go it gave you a reason to let your guard down. In other words he promised unconditional love but still an opportunity to make no real commitment.
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It sounds like your upset that others couldn’t grant you some “unconditional love” but then let you go. I don’t think you can ever expect that a love will be like that. I think you have to always be aware that it could end. Personally, I don’t believe love can be unconditional. There are always conditions. If a person you love starts hitting you then it’s over. You must end the relationship.
Thanks chuffy, I really appreciate everything you said. I guess you were right on this because at first time he tried to get intimate with me, I already laid down the cards to him that I don't want to get the relationship serious and don't want to fall in love and that it is pure sex, a past time. But then he really insist that he fell in love with me already and that it is already serious. He made an effort really to prove it to me. And when I had my tantrums and depression he was there promising not to give up on me. I guess that did the trick for I let my guard down and didn't realized I was already falling in love. Things really change when he was about to leave already, his atittude towards me change. I thought that it was me to blame because of my overly dramatic and negative thoughts and energies and tantrums. Yet he always comes back and keep on proclaming his love and promises. Even though I had my doubts already, I still hold on to that hope...that false hopes he's been giving me. I guess I'm really trying to convince myself that this is real and that I found th unconditional love I've been looking for despite the fact that my emotions are telling me differently. I agree again when you said that I should be looking for the good guy who won't give up on me and this is not the guy. I think I have to battle with myself the fears that I might not find the guy who will really try very hard to understand me (as he did) and who will give me attention (as he used to). I hope I can find the courage soon to tell him all the things you said about him and to finally say off. I guess ill just have to make a decision on that and just do it.
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Feb 21, 2007, 09:13 PM
I wanted to share a couple of books that might help you. The first one, "Single Wisdom" by Dr. Paris Finner-Williams. The second one, ""Get Out of Your Own Way: Overcoming Self-Defeating Behavior" by M. Goulston & P. Goldberg.
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Feb 21, 2007, 09:14 PM
I feel he is making you a victim - don't let that happen. You have so much to offer someone.
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Feb 21, 2007, 09:31 PM
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I wanted to share a couple of books that might help you. The first one, "Single Wisdom" by Dr. Paris Fiiner-Williams. The second one, ""Get Out of Your Own Way: Overcoming Self-Defeating Behavior" by M. Goulston & P. Goldberg.

Thanks so much shygrneyzs. I will have a look on this book. Throughout my distress, I have started reading a lot of books on relationship and forums like this and somehow it helps me really. I wish I did this earlier on. Right now I have so much anger within me and it is affecting me already. I've read a book on forgiveness and I decided to send him a letter that I have decided to forgive him and that I let go already. I never felt better, until he called after the 3 weeks of not communicating with him. I shouldn't have answered his calls for I fell on his trap again. Now I'm thinking should I send him a letter telling him all these things? The reason is that I am hoping that he will not do this to any other woman and stop messing other people's life specially those who have emotional and past hang ups. You think he will ever change or at least feel guilty? He kept on saying on our last calls that he will stop having an affair already. Deep down I don't believe it really.
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Feb 21, 2007, 09:47 PM
Have no expectations for your own sake.
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Feb 21, 2007, 10:06 PM
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Thanks chuffy, I really appreciate everything you said.
Not a problem

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I guess you were right on this because at first time he tried to get intimate with me, I already laid down the cards to him that I don't want to get the relationship serious and don't want to fall in love and that it is pure sex, a past time
I don't want to preach to you but I wonder with your background if this is a good idea. Perhaps you intend on making it only sex but you might become confused about sex and love and intertwine them. You obviously know they are two different things but I wonder if when you meet a guy if it would be safer not only from a health stand point but from an emotional stand point for you to wait on sex.

As with this situation, it sounds like if sex becomes part of the picture then you start thinking love or allow some walls to come down and start believing this is love of some form.

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but then he really insist that he fell in love with me already and that it is already serious.
This is what I was talking about above. You knew he didn't love you or that this couldn't be serious because of the other women. I just wonder if it was the sex that clouded your judgment. It may have been his words alone, I can't answer that for you, but it seemed like before sex was involved you knew this wasn't a real relationship. When the sex happened then you started thinking relationship, no matter how much it wasn't.

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he made an effort really to prove it to me. And when I had my tantrums and depression he was there promising not to give up on me. I guess that did the trick for I let my guard down and didn't realized I was already falling in love.
Nothing wrong with falling in love as long as his feelings are identical. You've got some pretty powerful emotions that are guiding you and if you can harvest those to where you can listen to them and let them guide you in conjunction with your logical side you'll be doing pretty good next time some guy comes into your life.

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things really change when he was about to leave already, his atittude towards me change. I thought that it was me to blame because of my overly dramatic and negative thoughts and energies and tantrums.
Why you are having overly dramatic and negative thoughts might be coming from before him. If that's the case he can't really be blamed. But for him to use them against you is the work of an incredible coward. Less than a man, that is for sure.

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yet he always comes back and keep on proclaming his love and promises. Even though I had my doubts already, I still hold on to that hope...that false hopes he's been giving me. I guess I'm really trying to convince myself that this is real and that I found th unconditional love I've been looking for despite the fact that my emotions are telling me differently.
God, you've got some strong and healthy emotions. Listen to them. They are serving you well, Just listen to what they are telling you and you'll be able to do anything.

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I agree again when you said that I should be looking for the good guy who won't give up on me and this is not the guy. I think I have to battle with myself the fears that I might not find the guy who will really try very hard to understand me (as he did) and who will give me attention (as he used to).
Well I can't promise you a fairy tale ending, but I can promise you there are real men out there who do appreciate women and don't use them. Get yourself one of those men who will enjoy you and accept you for all your greatness and your faults. Find yourself a guy that is willing to be with just you and at all times. That's a guy for you.

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I hope I can find the courage soon to tell him all the things you said about him and to finally say off. I guess ill just have to make a decision on that and just do it.
You don't have to find the courage. You've already got it. You've got more courage, more heart, and more smarts than you give yourself credit for. If you can go back and reread your posts as though I wrote them. Because I think I see you at a higher level than you are willing to admit you are. I see an articulate, emotionally strong, woman who let just got caught up in a situation, because the guy wouldn't take no for an answer, not because he was a keeper. I hope when you reread those statements you'll see the same thing.
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