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    byanka Posts: 5, Reputation: 1
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    Dec 19, 2005, 09:16 AM
    Greek man are big liers!
    Anybody with greek boyfriends?
    My greek boyfriend left me with a child.He disappeared and can't find him.I did nothing wrong,been faithfull to him. Can't understand why happened this.We were making wedding plans... Are greek man so big liers?
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    Dec 19, 2005, 09:37 AM
    You can't judge a whole race of men by something one man does, doll. I have seen most Greek men to make great husbands and fathers. How long has he been gone? Did he give you any signs, like did he seem tense or irritated or anything? Maybe with these wedding plans coming up he was a scared and he needs some time to put everything together. Were you living with him and did he take anything with him when he left besides maybe his wallet?
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    Dec 19, 2005, 11:36 AM
    I agree with crankiebabie, you can't judge a nationality or race by one mans infeldelity. Unfortunately you were with someone who disrespected you by leaving you and your baby. Don't blame Greek men for this scum bags choices. Although I can understand your anger. But just remember, any man of any creed,race,and nationality would do this. Im sorry you were treated this way. And your better off without him. Hopefully for your child's sake you can find him and have him own up to his responsibility
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    Dec 19, 2005, 04:11 PM
    Men
    You can not judge any nationality, race or person by others of the same type. There are good and bad in all groups.

    Many men are lyers, you will find 100's of them on the interent every day, OK most likely 1000's trying to find and convince women to meet them and then have sex with them. Some date for a while but end up having families back home somewhere or several other women they are also seeing.

    Other men like the idea of marriage just not being married, and then having children and raising them make many men run.

    In the end best advice, no sex outside of marriage, that solves issues of children and will end the men only wanting sex not wanting a good friend and partner.

    Sounds like you are better off without the bum.

    Are you and he from the US, or international ?
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    Dec 19, 2005, 08:41 PM
    Do you have any idea what happened? Like what crankiebabie said you can not base this experience on this one person on an entire culture/race. That is not really sensible. You did not give any details about what happened? Only you can figure this out on your own. How long has this person been gone for? In order to take this question more seriously you need to help us by telling us what things were happening and if you can get intouch with him , etc...

    Joe
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    Jul 27, 2007, 08:20 AM
    I am married to a Greek man who is actually an AWESOME father! He IS older though... which I believe makes a BIG difference!
    I have to disagree with the "father" (priest) To not "judge this nationality is an under statement! Hun, do yourself a favor and count that blessing of a child as a gift from God!
    If I was to do it all over again... NO WAY!!
    Don't get me wrong, I love my husband BUT, the politics of his mentally ill greek family who screw's with my head as much as possible because well, they are just A$$ holes.
    they judge ANYONE who is NOT of Greek orgin. They think they are better than you and say little thing's just to get under your skin. They kiss your face and stab you in the back as you walk into the next room.
    The priest's are not much better...they steal money from the parish and lie about where it went. then they sue members because they are embarrassed of there own behavior.
    Greek's are very proud and stubborn people! They are quick to place the blame on some one else because they are such "good Christian" people they are flawless.
    Out of experiece hun, Raise your boy to be saine and AWAY from them or you will NOT break this cycle. YOU WILL NEVER... (I mean this truely) NEVER, EVER BE ACCEPTED INTO HIS GREEK FAMILY. THEY WILL THINK OF ANY AND EVERYTHING TO MAKE YOU LOOK BAD AND FEEL INSECURE! Some screwy crap!
    You are so much more worth putting your child through that and your sanity.
    Be blessed!!
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    Nov 14, 2007, 01:02 AM
    Answer to my 3sonsand2daugh:

    How can you think of people in such a way?
    Who told you that Greeks are always like this and how can you categorize?
    The only blame that you can put on the Greeks (apart from being handsome) is that they have close bonds with their families and believe in religion (not the young ones though). They make good families and they are not different than any other men on earth...
    Can you say for instance that all Britons drink their @$$ and get drunk all day? Can you say about Italians that are big liars and like to sell romance? You can't say all these because people come from somewhere and are raised in different families with different mentality.
    I am Greek and proud to be one, not Christian as you say all of them are Christian believrs and you can't just speak like this...
    Situations like these can happen to anyone... whether from Greece or Burundi...
    Try to be more openminded!
    We are amazing people and we know how to live!! :)
    Zito I Ellada :)
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    Nov 14, 2007, 07:23 AM
    You obviously do not know how you treat people outside your culture!
    That's because you are so vain & selfish to see! I DO know because I have gone through it for over the past decade & so have my children!
    They have shund my children treating them like they do not exist. They are rude and lie about me because they love to start rumors.
    Walk a mile in the shoes of people that are new to your "family". Until then, you will always be what I explained in my first statement!
    I have gone through pure Hell with my husbands family. Every time I stick my neck out to help or try to become involved, I get it cut off! YOU, have no clue & arer ignorant... so, do not answer if you have no clue to our side!

    AND what are you doing answering this 5 months after?
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    Nov 14, 2007, 07:36 AM
    Here again, try to see you are not the majority.. you can't say that ALL Greeks are... bla.. bla... you can't see you are insulting us all??
    Im replying now because I happened to see your post and I only saw it today... I was looking for something else...
    Don't speak in generalities... its not nice and doesn't show culture on your behalf!
    Not all families are like your husband's.
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    Mar 22, 2008, 02:36 PM
    Actually most Greek men are liars, and cheat on their spouses. I am not trying to be rude and say that all Greek men are like that. I am Greek American and I met my ex husband in Greece. We got married and came back to the states and raised a family. He was a good provider that I have to say about the Greek men. He would work very hard as a contractor and after work he would go out with other girls. I have seen him many times and he would lie to my face saying he was talking to a friends sister, or wife.

    I'm Greek American and I agree Greek families are close. They believe Greeks are the best and they want their children to marry someone from a Greek background. Greek women love to gossip about anyone and anything. They go to church with their Gucci bags just so they can bee seen and envy by others. They put their children to Greek schools because they don't want their children to socialise with other races. They have birthday parties and tell their children to only invite the Greek children. How do I know... well I am Greek.
    I was born in Greece and I came here when I was 5 years old. I saw how my parents, grandparents aunts and uncles were treating some of my friends that were not Greek. I saw the look of disapproval on my mothers face when I was dating a Italian boy. Greeks only want Greeks.

    I married a Greek man and I lived in hell for 15 years with him. He was a liar, a cheat and a racist. He was mentally abusive and physically, until one day when I stood up and threw his clothes out the window and told him F... Y..

    Since that day my mother still blames me for being divorced. I don't care I am free from him and I raised my children to like all races and religions. My oldest daughter has a boyfriend for 4 years and he is Irish and Italian. My youngest daughter has an Irish boyfriend. What they believe and what they do is none of my business as long as my children are happy... I am happy. :cool: :cool: :) :)
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    Mar 22, 2008, 03:24 PM
    THANK YOU, Finally someone that truly understands!
    God Bless you for breaking that cycle.
    Your children will be happier in the long run and not turn into Greek liers.
    Greece is a beautiful place & so is the culture but, the people are the ones who make it so difficult!
    They will look down there noses like they are better than me or something, Yeah, right!
    (no way)
    Thank You, for your honestly and (again) breaking that vicious cycle!
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    Apr 1, 2008, 01:43 PM
    There are definitely cultural and behavioral patterns that groups of people and nationality follow. Is there a theme of exclusivity, discrimination, xenophobia, misogyny and insularity among many Greeks and even more so Greek-Americans? Yes, but ultimately this has less to do with their being Greek than with their level of development. If you look at most 'developing' countries you get allot for the same (not using it in formal economic terms).

    Firstly, although a small country Greece has an incredible amount of diverse subcultures that frequently are opposite from each other. For example, within only one little island, you've got a matriarchal society in the north and a patriarchal one in the south.

    Also keep in mind that in many cultures that came late into the development/industrialization game, whether Greek, Italian, Arab, Irish, Russian etc. you have allot of these negative survivalist and what I would consider neuroses going on. Yes it is true that the traumas inflicted on them by Turks, Germans, Bulgarians, Albanians etc and each other has led to these coping survival mechanisms.

    Also keep in mind that if you found one of the 'good ones' it would be hard to find in our Anglo or Protestant culture of industrialized anomie, coldness and depression an equivalent to the extreme loyalty, affection and love many of the 'good' Greek men can give you.

    Sorry for your pain and I don't want to minimize it but it's important to step back and see things more honestly and objectively.

    Just like positivity, negativity is a present or curse that each person that inherits it can decide to difuse, or otherwise not pass along. That you got burned has clouded your understanding of what really is going on here. My two drachmas, uh I mean euros :)
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    Apr 1, 2008, 03:27 PM
    I never had a Greek boyfriend, but I have a Greek father that just passed away, and two greek grandfathers who are now deceased who had many blissful years of marriage. As far as your Greek boyfriend he didn't have much respect for you or your child to leave you. You deserve better right now. From my point of view they make wonderful husbands, you just happen to get a big egg.
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    Apr 1, 2008, 06:52 PM
    Uhm I'm greek-cypriot.. and I found this entire thread quite ridiculous..
    There are behaviour patterns within cultures but every person was raised differently..
    Sure, there are some elements of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" that apply to most greek families but to slap a stereotype on how one will handle a relationship by where he/she is insane..
    Next time you meet someone from Saudi Arabia ask them if they have oil in their garden.
    *sigh*
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    Apr 1, 2008, 07:24 PM
    When I was 7 years old a neighbors dog bit me. Some dogs bite, most don't. A guy's girl friend or bed partner gets pregnant. Some men vanish, most don't. If I were a woman I would hope I clearly understood the risks of unprotected sex and the age old history of a single male hearing the words "I'm pregnant, what are we going to do?" Good luck and be sure not to name the baby after your bed partner and be sure to have the routine STD/HIV screen.
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    Apr 11, 2008, 06:38 PM
    I had the same bad experience and I also couldn't understand. I don't believe men are all the same but Greek men are really hard to deal with. I'm sorry that happened with you and I think you should search for him and make him pay for child support.
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    Sep 15, 2008, 10:22 AM
    I know a lot of cypriots and greek men. And yes they are liars. They are cruel liars. Anyway my cypriot left me too when I was pregnant. I could cut his heart out but I still love him and I want my hubby back. I know that I'm stupid but I will always wait for his comeback
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    Sep 15, 2008, 02:43 PM
    Hey, I'm Greek and I have to say that this thread is just insulting my nation... If you know Greece is the most friendly country with the most friendly people you could ever see. I have traveled to some countries just to check out their rudeness towards strangers.

    Also you have to know that Greeks still hold a very good place at getting married without divorces and making successful marriages.

    You have to know though, that most Greeks come to USA just for studying, so when they are there they enjoy doing wild things, because they think USA is a wild country were you can have the greatest sex-experiences than ever.

    Finally I think you understand that like every nation and race, there are good, bad, liers, cheaters, honest, faithful +++++ people... You can't just a whole nation just from 1-2 people... for god's shake :)...
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    Sep 15, 2008, 03:46 PM
    Altenweg agrees: Basing your answer on your own experience. I bet you think all Germans are Nazis too. :(
    Darnit, I meant to disagree, sorry guys. :(
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    Sep 15, 2008, 04:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by my3sonsand2daugh
    You obviously do not know how you treat people outside your culture!
    Thats because you are so vain & selfish to see! I DO know because I have gone thru it for over the past decade & so have my children!
    They have shund my children treating them like they do not exist. they are rude and lie about me because they love to start rumors.
    Walk a mile in the shoes of people that are new to your "family". Until then, you will always be what I explained in my first statement!
    I have gone thru pure Hell with my husbands family. Every time I stick my neck out to help or try to become involved, I get it cut off! YOU, have no clue & arer ignorant...so, do not answer if you have no clue to our side!

    AND what are you doing answering this 5 months after?
    You are a mean spirited person, and maybe that is why you got the bad treatment? You have no right whatsoever to call someone that you do NOT know personally, vain and selfish. Do NOT think that you can reprimand a member of this site for answering a question! I don't care HOW long the question has been posted. This is NOT your job here, and DON'T think it is! I may or may not report your innapropriate responses.


    What I see from your angry remarks is that the tables have turned here. You are angry with one particular social group (husband/boyfriend and his family) and you are blaming that on everyone else! Can you not see this? I hope you don't teach you children this kind of inside of the box thinking! I need to say that I believe you need some counseling to redirect your anger, and place it where it belongs, instead of blaming a culture for your problems.

    To answer the OP'S question. This is not a cultural thing dear. This happens in every country, culture, and race, as everyone else has mentioned. I live in a small city in Canada! I sometimes have a hard time coming up with names of people I know that haven't cheated, or taken off, and left their wives or girlfriends with or without children. So you CANNOT blame that on Greek people! If you wanted to start a thread saying, let's all b*tch about our Greek boyfriends that screwed us over... well you should have done that I guess. You asked for OUR opinions, and we gave them to you! Okay? Don't ask something you don't want to hear.

    ( I also wanted to give my agree to "sorrymiss"... good advice!)

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