Ask Experts Questions for FREE Help!
  Advanced
Register  |  Log in  
   Ask    
 Answer  
  Help  

Ask QuestionsprogressAnswer QuestionsprogressBuild ReputationprogressBecome an Expert
 
Free Answers in 3 Easy Steps

Register Now
3 Steps

At Ask Me Help Desk you can ask questions in any topic and have them answered for free by our experts. To ask questions or participate in answering them you must register for a free account. By registering you will be able to:
  • Get free answers from experts in any of our 300+ topics.
  • Accept money for answers that you provide.
  • Communicate privately with other members (PM).
  • See fewer ads.

Home > Law > Real Estate Law   »   Landlord Gross Negligence

 
Question Tools Search this Question Display Modes
Question
 
 
#1  
Old Oct 1, 2006, 03:58 PM
irishcolleen1960
New Member
irishcolleen1960 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6
irishcolleen1960 See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
Landlord Gross Negligence

My daughter is 18yrs old and lives in an apartment complex in North Georgia. Recently the apartment complex was purchased by a new owner and it is now managed by a real estate company. At he back of the property are storage buildings behind a locked gate which can be rented by tenants and only the storage building renters are given a key to the gate. One saturday morning recently my daughter was moving her stuff between her apartment and the storage building. While she was putting her stuff away in her apartment she left her storage shed door closed but unlocked. About two hours went by and she was ready for her next load. She went out to the building only to find the real estate agent out there with work people and trucks. She proceeded to go to her building and low and behold it was totally emptied out. She approached the real estate agent and asked him where her stuff was. He said oh we are getting rid of all the property in all the buildings that do not have a lock on them. She proceeded to tell him, I have paid for this shed and I was moving stuff in and out of it this morning. He asked her if she got a letter explaining that they would do this today. She said no letter had been received. He called his office to verify and then told her, oops I am sorry I guess we forgot to send out the notices but if you want to follow me in your car to the dump we may be able to get your property back because it was just dumped there. She got in her car with her 6 month old baby and started to follow him. About a mile from the apartment complex she was in a wreck and totaled her car and her and her baby ended up in the hospital. Needless to say she was not able to retrieve her stuff. About a week later she contacted the real estate company and they sent her a letter stating that they would give her ONE MONTH FREE RENT.... she does not want to accept the one month free rent...what is her recourse????if any???? Also if she decides to proceed with this can the landlord evict her or not renew her lease?????

Reply With Quote
 
     

Answers
 
 
Old Oct 1, 2006, 07:04 PM   #2  
Fr_Chuck
Christianity Expert
Fr_Chuck is offline
 
Fr_Chuck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Atlanta GA
Posts: 24,562
Fr_Chuck has disabled reputation
She should get an estimate of all the property she lost, the cost of any money she is out from the wreck and sue them for that.

Since she had the unit rented, they have a obligation not to enter into any unit that was paid for. ( they can not just remove stuff from unlocked units, and can't even take it if the unit was not paid for, there are rules about disposal of items in a storage unit ( and throwing it away is not part of the rules)

Next since because of thier illegal act, you were acting upon thier instruction to go get your property, one could present you were acting on thier behalf or at the least doing it on thier instruction. So any loss from the accident could well be charged to the apartment.

And if they are willing to offer free rent so quickly, they know they are wrong.

Next no they can't evict her.

Yes they have no requirement to renew her lease.
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 04:49 AM   #3  
ScottGem
Computer Expert
ScottGem is offline
 
ScottGem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: LI, NY - USA
Posts: 22,612
ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
Pay to call ScottGem for advice ($.75/min)
Call ScottGem via Skype™
Chuck is right on here. The main problem would be getting a valuation of the property in the storage locker. I would NOT try to pad it, but make an accurate list and reasonable valuations.

Including the costs of the wreck might be a little more difficult, but it definitely reasonable to try. The approach to take is that your daughter was distraught and upset over the possibility of losing her possessions and that contributed to the accident.

I would strongly recommend consulting an attorney. I think there are many who would salivate at taking this case on a contigency basis.
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 05:23 AM   #4  
Cvillecpm
Senior Member
Cvillecpm is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: VA
Posts: 553
Cvillecpm See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
She should have "renter's insurance" AND take the one month's free rent being offered.

Leaving her storage locker without a lock/unlocked was HER MISTAKE....whether she got a letter/notice or not. It was not SMART of her to allow access to her stuff if it was valuable.....Mom - we are talking a flip of her wrist and put the key in her pocket. Leaving "valuable stuff" in an unlocked storage area for 2 hours was a big mistake.

Valuable life lesson that she will hopefully NOT have to learn again.
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 05:52 AM   #5  
irishcolleen1960
New Member
irishcolleen1960 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6
irishcolleen1960 See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
Thank you for your feedback!!!
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 05:52 AM   #6  
ScottGem
Computer Expert
ScottGem is offline
 
ScottGem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: LI, NY - USA
Posts: 22,612
ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
Pay to call ScottGem for advice ($.75/min)
Call ScottGem via Skype™
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cvillecpm
She should have "renter's insurance" AND take the one month's free rent being offered.

Leaving her storage locker without a lock/unlocked was HER MISTAKE....whether she got a letter/notice or not. It was not SMART of her to allow access to her stuff if it was valuable.....Mom - we are talking a flip of her wrist and put the key in her pocket. Leaving "valuable stuff" in an unlocked storage area for 2 hours was a big mistake.

Valuable life lesson that she will hopefully NOT have to learn again.

Yes she should have renter's insurance, but this goes beyond that.

The fact that the storage area is supposed to be secure ("storage buildings behind a locked gate") gives her a reasonable expectation of security in leaving the locker open. From my read, it was the locker she left open, not the gate. Second, this was not a theft. If it was, then you would have a greater point. But this was the management removing the items. The management has NO right to remove items unless the locker was not paid up. Even then, there has to be due process before they can.

Depending on the value of the items and the rent, a free month might be sufficient compensation for the items removed from the locker. But it doesn't begin to compensate for the other consequences that arose from the illegal removal of the property.

While I can understand that you come from a management perspective, we are here to help people with their problems. Not try to rescue management from their mistakes.
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 05:55 AM   #7  
irishcolleen1960
New Member
irishcolleen1960 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6
irishcolleen1960 See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
Just as a note - She did have renters insurance, however it did not include a storage building because it is not attached to her apartment. Also the buildings are behind a locked gate. However, thank you for your feedback.

Thank you..... We are not out to try and soak the management company. We are not really even interested in doing anything about the car wreck.... I think what was the worst thing of all was...her Dad passed away 8 months ago and she had all her pictures in there of her and him and the cards he sent her on her birthday. Now, I know that is not worth 2 cents to anyone but her. What is really frusterating is the "WE ARE A BIG REALTY COMPANY, YOU ARE AN 18 YR OLD KID...WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY DO ABOUT IT" attitude by the realty company....

We never said we were suing anyone and never said they were responsible for the wreck...she is taking responsibility for that....however....."the biggest warm body with the deepest pockets" as you call them actually were totally negligent because acording to the landlord tenant act they MUST give at least 24 hrs notice before entering said rental property (it also states this in our lease) and also they cannot remove any personal items without a court order. Which they did not obtain. So they are negligent on both accounts. Also I am not looking to blame anyone - if you would kindly re-read my original posting...my questions were what is her recourse IF ANY? can she be evicted? and can they refuse to renew her lease?.....but, again...thank you for your feedback.....
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 08:14 AM   #8  
Cvillecpm
Senior Member
Cvillecpm is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: VA
Posts: 553
Cvillecpm See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
She can refuse to renew her lease - she is not a prisoner of the mgmt. Again, she should take the one month free offer and look for another place when her lease expires.

She is the negligent one not mgmt. The storage area is an accommodation or amenity and NOT PART OF THE LEASED RESIDENTAL RENTAL PROPERTY - you are mixing apples and oranges and while she may be paying for it in her rent, it is not covered by any landlord-tenant laws as commercial storage facilities have their own rules - don't pay/padlock is cut and items are removed.

Mgmt offered to go with her to get her stuff back and she had a wreck so that did not happen...what else could mgmt could have done? Had someone stolen her items while the storage was unlocked, she could have called the police, filed a report and still been out the items and not have the one-month free rent offer.
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 08:27 AM   #9  
irishcolleen1960
New Member
irishcolleen1960 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6
irishcolleen1960 See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
What else could management have done...MMMMMM...let me see... perhaps stayed out of her storage building to begin with.... I appreciate all of your input however, I see that this is down to a matter of opinion - yours and mine. Thank you anyway.

I think you are missing the point here. She LIKES her apartment and she LIKES living there. She DOES NOT WANT TO MOVE, and is afraid that because of this, that management may refuse to renew her lease or even evict her. Hello......
  Reply With Quote
 
     
 
 
Old Oct 2, 2006, 10:08 AM   #10  
ScottGem
Computer Expert
ScottGem is offline
 
ScottGem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: LI, NY - USA
Posts: 22,612
ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.ScottGem See this member's comment history on his/her Profile page.
Pay to call ScottGem for advice ($.75/min)
Call ScottGem via Skype™
Irish,
First, I would suggest you ignore Cville's comments here. According to his profile he is a Property Manager. As such, he tends to favor mgmt's side in these issues instead of dealing with the facts.

As you correctly point out, the landlord needed to give adequate notice and could not remove property without a court order. Notice was not given, the storage space was up to date in payments. There was no way your daughter was negligent and many ways the rental company was.

You're right, no amount of money is going to replace momentos. And if you are not interested in compensation for the accident or the property, then take the one month offer. It is highly unlikely they will not renew over this. They clearly know they were wrong because they are making an offer. Even if you did sue, they couldn't refuse to renew.

I assume you checked the insurance. She should be able to add the storage to the insurance as a rider.

Personally, I wouldn't settle. I think what the rental company did was unconscionable. They deserve to be sued.
  Reply With Quote
 
     


Question Tools Search this Question
Search this Question:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

 
Similar Sponsors

Similar Questions
Question Asker Topic Answers Last Post
net vs. gross a/r student007 Finance & Accounting 2 Sep 19, 2006 06:33 PM
Am I a Landlord? MargieM Real Estate Law 7 May 17, 2006 09:04 AM
gross hair aquazombie Women's Health 2 Feb 11, 2006 08:12 PM
Gross Basement Bathroom Smell karenwater Plumbing 2 Nov 18, 2005 03:43 AM
bad landlord anita houston Real Estate Law 2 Sep 11, 2005 03:10 PM




Copyright ©2003 - 2007, Ask Me Help Desk.
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:03 AM.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6 © 2006, Crawlability, Inc.