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Old Dec 8, 2006, 07:21 PM
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Why support Israel?

Why does the USA support Israel? What do we as a county gain from supporting them, when the negatives are so obvious and numerous? Is it political, moral, financial, romantic? Why is the existence of a Jewish homeland still important to America?

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Old Dec 9, 2006, 05:50 AM   #2  
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I found tons of articles about this... these two seem like a good place to start:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_199...us_support.php

http://usconservatives.about.com/b/a/255647.htm

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Hello VB:

We support them because they are a freely elected democracy. We like democracies, don't we? Isn't that what Bush is trying to establish? They're also western, and they're our ally. We should support Israel, because we said we would. Shouldn't we keep our word?

Tell me. What are some of the negatives to you? That the Arabs don't like them? Uhhh, so what? I'm sure the Mexicans didn't like us too much when we took their land. The Indians either. Should we give it back? You live on Indian occupied land, don't you? We put the Indians on reservations, didn't we? If the Indians sent suicide bombers into your city, would you give it back to them?

Maybe you just don't like Jews.

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Maybe you just don't like Jews.

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Damn it, I hate when anything slightly critical of Israel appears the anti-semitic accusations fly. I'll read Rick's links when I have some free time but I also don't understand the support.

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ordinaryguy agrees: Yes! Being critical if the state of Israel is in no way the same as hating Jews. Plenty of Jews, both inside and outside of Israel, are critical of the state. Are they anti-semitic?
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A very good pro Jewish website that will help you understand why we need to support them would be

http://www.adl.org/main_Israel/default.htm

And in the end, we need to support them just because they are the enemy of our enemy,
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The root answer can be summed up in one word GUILT. And Jews do guilt better than anyone else

Seriously, the establishment of the Jewish state of Isreal stems from the guilt of the world at turning a blind eye to the Holocaust while it was happening.

Let me also remind people that the jews did not come into Palestine as conquerors like Americans and Indians. In some cases the Jews bought their way in, but most of the land was actually given or sold to them. And what was sold was generally non arable desert that the Arabs didn't want. The jewish settlers turned this land into workable farmland using modern technolgy and hard work.

As was also pointed out, Isreal is a democracy, one of the few true democracies in this world. And, as such, deserves our support. It also deserves our support because the only reasons why it has enemies is purely irrational religious hatred.

Isreal has earned the alliance and support of America in numerous ways. But the bottomline, is we have signed treaties with them and we should honor them.

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Mario3 disagrees: no they did not turn the desert into a productive land through hard work. it was done through the water supply they keep going to lebanon for through wars. why are you so brainwashed to not have said that?
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Hello:

Let me put it this way.

If a new free country was established - ANYWHERE - on this green earth, with democratic principles and free elections, wouldn't you support them with everything you've got???? Isn't that what we, as Americans, are about????

Or, does the question only rear it's ugly head, when we're talking about Jews?

What is it in particular, that has you critical of Israel? Let's get down to it.

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It's not an anti-semitic thing so leave that dead horse at the door.
Democracies are good. Yes. Support them, don't overthrow them. Good policy.
My aggitation with our support is the way that support manifests. We will not be critical of them no matter how outragous and murderous their behavior. We call ourselves a moral country yet we stand for nothing if we let the murder of innocents pass. And we do. Even the most limp condemnation from the UN we will block. Why? That country would not, could not exist without our generous support. Yet we can not influence them to behave humanely? Our foreign policy is a sham when we choose to be so two faced. We damage ourselves every time we choose to scream about one act of horror and stay quiet about another. I'm not saying abandon Israel to the wolves. I want us to demand our allies meet a higher standard. I want America and it's allies to be respectable. As they behave today; Israel is far from respectable.

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It's not an anti-semitic thing so leave that dead horse at the door.
Democracies are good. Yes. Support them, don't overthrow them. Good policy.
My aggitation with our support is the way that support manifests. We will not be critical of them no matter how outragous and murderous their behavior. We call ourselves a moral country yet we stand for nothing if we let the murder of innocents pass. And we do. Even the most limp condemnation from the UN we will block. Why? That country would not, could not exist without our generous support. Yet we can not influence them to behave humanely? Our foreign policy is a sham when we choose to be so two faced. We damage ourselves every time we choose to scream about one act of horror and stay quiet about another. I'm not saying abandon Israel to the wolves. I want us to demand our allies meet a higher standard. I want America and it's allies to be respectable. As they behave today; Israel is far from respectable.

Do not even start with the stupid United Nations.

Why does the US block them?

Here is an idea…b/c of the Muslim majority.

In the stupid way the UN is set up, 1 country, 1 vote, it gives all these small Muslim countries who hate Jews 1 vote each.

Therefore, all the Muslim countries combined have a majority in the general assembly and since they HATE Jews, they always pass resolutions condemning Israel.

As for why the US blocks them? Because they are helping out an ally.

Let me ask you this.

If England wasn’t part of the Security Council and countless resolutions were passed condemning England, would you not want your allies on the Security Council to block them?
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It's not an anti-Semitic thing so leave that dead horse at the door........no matter how outragous and murderous their behavior. We call ourselves a moral country yet we stand for nothing if we let the murder of innocents pass. And we do......... Israel is far from respectable.
Hello again, VB:

Nahhh, I think it's an anti-Semitic thing...... They don't murder....... They are moral...... They are respectable.........

If you believe otherwise, you are an anti-Semite!!!! Or you don't have a clue what's going on in the world. Me??? I choose to think you're an anti-Semite!

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Mario3 disagrees: no you are an anti-semite for not letting people explore israeli or jewish politics. you dont trust what people will find out of jewish or israel politics and thats why you get fearful when they start to explore so u can point a finger at yourself
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