Our lame Supreme Court finally got one right!

progunr · Jun 26, 2008, 07:19 AM

Finally!

A just decision by the Supreme Court.

The right to keep and bear arms, is an individual right, without regard to any type of membership in any militia.

What say you gun grabbers now?

Sonador101 · Jun 27, 2008, 12:49 PM

look scottgem,
ok maybe they wouldn't care if people had a gun, BUT they would be stopped befor ethey got away. plus most of them will think twice cause they just want to have fun, but its not fun if you get caught.
yes admittedly the crazy ones will still do it and won't care but like i said before we civillians can stop them, and i do believe that those car jackers would stop if a gun was ponited at there head. thus it would deteer the outcome.

Sonador101 · Jun 27, 2008, 12:54 PM

ok say you were a ciminal, if you knew no one had anyguns and you want to like i don't know, preform armed robbery, you'd do it cause you knew youi wouldn't get caught, and no one could hurt yoiu.
IF you knew there was a high probablility that they were armed would you stll do it? because you could probably get killed, or hurt, and thrown jail.

progunr · Jun 27, 2008, 12:54 PM

For ScottGem,

I didn't have any statistics immediately available, I was not ignoring that request.

Here is some stuff for you to look at, if you want. Given enough time, I could produce more information on this topic, than most of us could read in one day.

Myth: Concealed carry laws increase crime
Fact: Forty states1, comprising the majority of the American population, are "right-to-carry"
states. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell
(or did not rise) after the right-to carry
law became active (as of July, 2006). Nine states deny or restrict the right to carry.
Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry permits have consistently been about 0.02%
of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988.
Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida's homicide rate fell from 36% above the
national average to 4% below, and remains it below the national average (as of the last reporting
period, 2005).
Fact: The serious crime rate in Texas fell 50% faster than the national average after Texas
passed a concealed carry law in 1995.
Fact: When citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons:
• Murder rates drop 8%
• Rape rates fall 5%
• Aggravated assaults drop 7%
Fact: More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws
Fact: States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates 11% higher than national
averages.
Fact: Deaths and injuries from mass
public shootings fall dramatically after
right-to-carry concealed handgun laws
are enacted. Between 1977 and 1995, the
average death rate from mass shootings
plummeted by up to 91% after such laws
went into effect, and injuries dropped by
over 80%.

Myth: People with concealed weapons permits will commit
crimes
Fact: The results for the first
30 states that passed “shallissue”
laws for concealed carry
permits are similar. Here are
some specific cases:
Fact: People with concealed
carry permits are:
• 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
• 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public
Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime.
They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime.
Fact: Even gun control organizations agree it is a non-problem, as in Texas – “because there
haven't been Wild West shootouts in the streets”.
Fact: Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not
necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.
Fact: In Florida, a state that has allowed concealed carry since late 1987, you are twice as likely
to be attacked by an alligator as by a person with a concealed carry permit.
Myth: CCWs will lead to mass public shootings
Fact: Multiple victim public
shootings drop in states that
pass shall-issue CCW
legislation.
Myth: People do
not need
concealable
weapons
Fact: In 80% of gun
defenses, the defender used a
concealable handgun. A
quarter of the gun defenses
occurred in places away from
the defender's home.18
Fact: 77% of all violent crime occurs in public places.19 This makes concealed carry necessary
for almost all self-defense needs. But due to onerous laws forbidding concealed carry, only
26.8% of defensive gun uses occurred away from home.20
Fact: Often, small weapons that are capable of being concealed are the only ones usable by
people of small stature or with physical disabilities.
Fact: The average citizen doesn’t need a Sport Utility Vehicle, but driving one is arguably safer
than driving other vehicles. Similarly, carrying a concealable gun makes the owner – and his or
her community – safer by providing protection not otherwise available.
Myth: Police are against concealed carrying by citizens
Fact: 66% of police chiefs believe that citizens carrying concealed firearms reduce rates of
violent crime.
Fact: “All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn’t happen ...I think it’s worked
out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I’m a convert.”
Fact: “I ... [felt] that such legislation present[ed] a clear and present danger to law-abiding
citizens by placing more handguns on our streets. Boy was I wrong. Our experience in Harris
County, and indeed statewide, has proven my fears absolutely groundless”.
Fact: Explain this to the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, Second Amendment Police
Department, and Law Enforcement for the Preservation of the Second Amendment, all of whom
support shall-issue concealed carry laws.

* 4 months ago

Source(s):
http://www.gunfacts.info/pd...

excon · Jun 27, 2008, 01:38 PM

Hello Scott:

I actually think criminals DO care if they get shot.

Let's say there was a block of houses that had no signs in their yards. In the next block over, they had signs saying they have burglar alarms installed. The next block has signs saying they have firearms in their homes.

Which ones do you think will get broken into more often?

excon

westnlas · Jun 27, 2008, 04:15 PM

I get a big laugh out of gun owners who suddenly feel they are protected by having guns in their home. Very few actually have ever used a gun to kill someone with and very few even use guns for hunting. It's kind of like owning a pit bull as a means to tell everyone how macho they are. Certainly we do not need guns to protect us from invasion or social unrest. I mean how many in this country are actually affected by the riots in LA or Chicago. Oh the gang bangers have guns but should they ? Heck, even gun enthusiasts such as Cheney can't handle them safely. I don't keep any registered firearms, and am quite comfortable with the weapons I have to defend me from any outside threat. The scariest person I have ever encountered here, was a frightened young pint sized cop making his very first traffic stop. I was afraid I might need to disarm him to keep him from hurting someone by accident.

I don't believe that the military could ever get a consensus of troops that would take over this country by force. For every radical group, there is one just as radical that opposes their views. In order to combat crime, we must either require EVERY person to be armed at all times, or take guns away from people who have no business with them. It's coming time to grow up in this country and start acting like the civilized nation we purport ourselves to be.

Sonador101 · Jun 27, 2008, 04:26 PM

ok scott,
look yeah SOME criminals won't care. but they'll hurt people, and the fact that they don't care makes them that more dangerous. and wheather or not they care doesn't matter, when a crazy person is trying to kill you or someone else i want to be able to defend myself, and when i get a gun i will learn how to use it responibly, and i will get training in it. in my oppinion when theres someone shooting i don't want to wait for the police to come, while he kills more innocent people. we want to stop them BEFORE they hurt ANYONE, but calling the police takes time, and it takes time for them to come. the time the criminal needs to get away. and most most criminals care, some do it for a high, but seriouly who cares? i want to stop them, to keep them from hurting people. i want to defend myself, go look up the statistics, go do whatever. but the fact is we have the right. the right our forefathers gave us, and it would be disrespectful to take it away,thats telling them they made a mistake, when in truth they put it there so it couldn't be taken away, and it shouldn't.

magprob · Jun 27, 2008, 06:04 PM

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westnlas · Jun 27, 2008, 06:16 PM

I carried, slept with, cleaned, ate with, bathed with, and yes used many weapons for a period of time. I was fortunate in acquiring insight that I cannot explain that told me when danger was near. Unfortunately, small people tend to have less mettle than large ones. Nervous people with weapons make me very agitated. Police do shoot people here in Las Vegas and many police officers do become involved in confrontations. Recently a woman was killed by a Henderson Officer under questionable circumstances. He was the only one of several officers present that did fire. As I stated before, even those who are supposedly expert mishandle weapons routinely. I am much more comfortable when the guns are on the ground, and I've personally cleared them. In training we were told that it's not the bullet that has your name on it that you worry about. It's the one marked "To whom it may concern".

Last year, a rookie officer of Las Vegas Metro, went wiggy and started shooting at passing people, he was killed by other police officers. All the training in the world doesn't mean the guy with the gun is sane or normal. In fact, I believe people that want to carry a gun are a bit "off" in the first place.



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