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I am so ashamed to be an American, to be living in this country and I'm sure I'm not the only one. My point is a this, said a few ways:
Regardless of what your political situation in, there is one very important fact no one can deny, Pres. Bush said we went into Iraq because there were weapons of mass destruction. We then found out and the Pres. acknowledged that there were no WMDs, that there was misinformation. Looking through history it seems we should all learn something, one can not just trust what an informant/Comm./Gen./Sec. of Def. when you are waging war on a country. One HAS to know the facts and there were ways for out Pres. to know the facts, but he obviously didn't dig that deep. We went into Iraq on a lie. Why can't we see that that is a problem. That there isn't anything wrong with saying we were wrong and now we are going to fix it. But that is not what happened.
Why does America go running around telling other Diplomats what they can and can't do, what they can and can't have? Who made us the higher power? Now the Pres. says we are there to bring Democracy to Iraq. Ok, well, did this country ask to change their current system to one that we model today? Why do we think that we had the right to go in there and change their lives COMPLETELY because Pres. Bush thinks it a good thing to give them this so called "gift". We go telling Iran they can not have a nuclear plant, but we are allowed to manufacture nuclear weapons. What makes us think that we know how to keep dangerous or deadly things under proper control? Seems the America that has been created appears to think that we are smart than everyone else. And that, obviously is not true, for many reasons. Interesting how Rices and Bush keep saying that the Iraqis have to get their military together so that they can take control and our troops can leave. Funny how we bring this amazing shift in on their economy, in their politics and their military.
There was violence in Iraq WAY before we got there. If we pull our troops out now there won't be an increase in violence. RIGHT NOW, THIS time has proven that the country they live in today is FAR more avalanched by violence than it has been in a very very long time. There was violence before our troops got there, there was Saddam, our troops invaded Iraq and not only did the violence stay the same, it has escalated. Our troops pull out and there will still be violence. Our troops leave, and there will still be violence. Our troops continue to stay and go door to door "embedded" into the Iraqi military, the doors they open will hold more violence and more danger, the Iraqi people did not ask for this and they don't want us there.
Pres. Bush did not make a new plan, or a new strategy or anything else. We are going to us more military force, ok, so let's just keep increasing our troops, from 4 years ago to today, how many more of our military is there? It didn't work the first time, it didn't work the second time they tried implementing a new plan and here we go again, adding more troops. I thought the definition for insane was 'very foolish', ex. "Pres. Bush has taken insane measures concerning this war in/with Iraq."
Sadly our troops are continuing to die. And while I can not than them enough for ensuring out security and at first, fighting for a cause. They have no been left there, with a so called "non opened time", so when will the get to come home? Seems no one can answer that. I care about our troops and their families, I care about the Iraqi people, the things and people they love and care about. I care that America has allies, I care about the need for us to back down and stop trying to control the world. To me it's like 2 people in a bad relationship, one may really not like something about the other, but eventually it's realized by someone, the person that has a mature thought and they start trying to only change themselves because no one can make anyone change if they don't want to. In hand with that, when the mature person continues to work on themselves the other person starts feeling like things are changing, that something good is going on and then they can work on themselves together. That's what America needs to do, that is what Bush needs to do, be more mature in thought.
So like I said, at the moment I am ashamed to live here, to be an American.
How do you feel about the country you live in? What does America represent to you? What should it represent to the world?
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Canada , Japan, Austrailia, Great Britian are all Western civilized countries with modern technologies and ways of life. Why do people (from America) always assume they have to stay here. It's easier to get anywhere in the world than it's ever been.
Sense this is a free country I am not going to knock what anybody else say on this post.
My opnion on the subject are if you don't like move out.
I have the utmost faith in this country. I have two brothers in iraq and will support my country to the very end.
It is when you lose faith in something when all hope is lost. If you lose all hope you might as well give up and die. I for one will never give up. I just hope that there are others like me.
I love knowing that I can have my own opnion and not get shoot for it.
There is a difference in supporting the troops. To supporting the country. There should be not anybody supporting a country that purposely targets other countries and interferes in there wars. The government, the government that runs the country. The people of the country puts there faith in the wrong place.
Faith is meant to be in God, not a country.
Just my opinion. I get annoyed at people who think they need to support and have faith in there country when there country is responsible for the deaths of so many people from other countries, but also responsible for so many deaths of their own people.
They do not care about your brothers, the government does not care. They are doing it for their own gain. Oil and money.
We need to support your brothers and anybody that go over their, but we do not have to support the country or the government.
It is good that you have your own personal opinion. Please do not take it that I am shooting you for it. I just have a different way of looking at it. Hope you do not take it personally.
I see it as.
Though I do not support the government in all its decisions I need to support the ones that are trying to keep my brothers safe.
Yes I would like my brothers home but as long as they are in harms way I will support the decisions of the government to keep them safe.
If this means that I need to support bushes new plan or whatever I will. Because I now that If the government quits supporting are troops my brothers are dead.
I look at how people the us left in vietnam and I do not want that to happen again
I think that it is important that you have faith in America and faith in our troops. But when I say faith in America I mean faith in the people that live here. Faith that they will use their democratic powers to change what they don't like about the current administration, faith in the support that they show their troops, faith that this war will end.
I see the country and the government as 2 different things. When the Towers in NYC were attacked our country was attacked. Not the government. Innocent people, people who reside in a country, who love their country, who rely on their government to keep them safe. It is not the country that is failing us...it is the government.
I am not only an American but the wife of an army soldier who just returned from Iraq. Although I agree with most of the points of view here and respect everyone's right to express them. we are forgetting the big picture here.
regardless of what we think or do, Pres. Bush will not admit defeat and pull the troops out as he should. even when hell freezes over will he admit that. and thats a pitty. after 9/11 the way he showed the country support and strength, he shoed he had potential to be a good president. With the Iraq contriversy, he's beyond redemption in the eyes of his "fellow americans). (a term which sends shivers down my spine becuae it reminds me of former Pres. Nixon)
the protests over Iraq also bring back bad memories for me because of how my fathr was treated after he returned from Vietnam. a war that too was greatly protested. mass opinion of the war labled our brave soldiers as baby burners and women killers. (I was 7 years old when he returned and still remember those hateful words wringing in my ears)
My point is regardless of how we feel about the war, or the presedient, the soldiers over there fighting should be our main focus. they are there out of duty to our country regardless of how we or any one else feels. its not really the war they are fighting over there but serviing our country. some even giving their lives for our country. the bravest of the brave in my opinion.
I believe, as well as a lot of otheres that you can support the soldiers without supporting the war. let them know that what they're doing as the serve our country has a great impact on the people here waiting for their safe return
send cards, emails, care packages. let them know we love and think about them everyday.
I once sent my husband a box of cards and letters my kids' classes wrote them and pictures. the soldiers answered EVERY one of them and kept the pictures as a reminder of home. trust me it really imapcts them when they know we support them.
Try not to think badly about the war but the welfare of the men fighting it. So, soldiers like my father come home not as criminals but as heroes.
Please also, please don't base your opinion of all americans based on our commander in chief.
If this means that I need to support bushes new plan or whatever I will. Because I now that If the government quits supporting are troops my brothers are dead.....
I look at how people the us left in vietnam and I do not want that to happen again
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Wow! If they quit supporting them and just left them, then they'd be dead. But, the idea is to quit supporting the WAR, and bring your brothers HOME. Seems to me, they'd be a LOT safer here.
And, what did we do to the people in Vietnam? WE did nothing, except give 58,000 of our young boys for NO REASON. When we left, the south lost the civil war, that they would have lost 10 years earlier, had we not butted in.
Yes, the northern victors put the southerners in jail. Ok, if the south (us) had won, don't you think WE would have put the northerners in jail? I think we would have.
Nonetheless, Vietnam is a peaceful place today. The disaster that awaited us, should we have lost that war (which we did), NEVER happened.
Tell Bush to send your brothers to kill Al Qaida in Afghanistan. That's a GOOD war. Those people ACTUALLY attacked us.
Again I post a query to those reading and participating in this thread... Do you not see that the focus of terrorist groups and anti-Americans is now in the Middle East and not here? I'm not supporting the war there, or the reasons that we were given for it being valid. I just wonder if anyone else sees that the insurgents attacking our troops and civilians over there aren't just Iraqis. They come from Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen.... there's more too, but you might get where I'm going with this. If our troops were not there, is it possible that these people might just get together to bring the fight to our soil as they did in 2000?
Just a thought and I wonder what others think along those lines.
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Well I'm sure most of you heard about the big "peace" march on Washington this past weekend.
The march was lead by a group that calls itself "United for Peace and Justice." The march included several of the usual "America is always wrong" crowd including communist Jane Fonda and of course Sean Penn. The same Sean Penn that flew to Iraq before the war started and came back to tell us that Sadaam was a great guy and we were not educated enough to know it. I wonder if the brought his own camera crew like he did when he pretended to help Hurricane Katrina victims for the media publicity?
Anyways, The lovers of peace and people of great tolerance who claim to be of such high class that us southern rednecks (and anyone else from the north or east or west who dare point out their inconsistancies) can't truly grasp their self awareness and total respect they have for human life showed up with the usual flag draped caskets and have now added boots on top for a nice touch. These lovers of peace and people who always claim to love American when called on their hate spray painted graffiti on the U.S. Capitol building. These lovers of peace who support the troops unless those troops are dead and having their genitals stuck in their mouth (which really did happen and I saw no outrage) or he is the commandor in chief, which ironically enough makes him one of the troops but we'll overlook that, spit on Iraqi war veterans who dared show up and use the freedom of speech they actually fought for. One Iraqi war veteran named Joshua Sparling lost part of his leg in the war, yet get this, still is proud to be an American, and really get this, still supports the war. While he was there and some kind, well respected, person of love and tolerance walked away from the main protest and spit at him. Naturally, cops were standing right there and did not arrest Mr. peacenick. Like I said before, I truly hate living in this country.
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