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Old Jul 17, 2007, 08:31 AM
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[Making] Race an issue in Bonds Poll

Race an issue in Bonds Poll was the headline in my paper ... but I think mine is more accurate.

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Only 3rd of whites rooting for Bonds, poll says
Survey illustrates racial dividing line about Giant's pursuit of Aaron's record

When it comes to rooting for Barry Bonds to become the home run champion, one factor stands out: race.

An AP-Ipsos poll released Monday showed 55 percent of minority baseball fans want Bonds to set the record, while only 34 percent of non-Hispanic white baseball fans hope he passes Hank Aaron’s record.

The results mark a significant jump among minorities. Last October, just 34 percent in an AP-AOL poll were rooting for Bonds to make history.

Bonds went into Monday night’s game against the Chicago Cubs with 751 home runs, four behind Aaron.

A seven-time NL MVP, Bonds has been shadowed by steroid suspicions for several years. The San Francisco star has steadfastly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

“When you look at the whole era of steroid use, why pick on one man?” John Primus, a black fan from Raleigh, N.C., asked at Wrigley Field. “Clean up that whole era. If he was 300 home runs down, nobody would say a word. It’s just because he’s so close.”

Brian Morse, a white fan from Peoria, Ill., was rooting against Bonds.

“He’s surly, and I’ve read a few books on him. It’s bad enough on the field, but the way he’s treated family members is disgraceful,” he said before the Giants-Cubs game. “I think these guys, especially the popular ones, are kind of heroes to kids, and Barry is just a bad example all around.”

For the record, I have no problem with Bonds breaking the record - but I also think Pete Rose (as crazy as he is now) should be in the hall of fame. If Bonds or any other player used steroids and MLB didn't crack down on him then shame on them for their pathetic steroid policy. And, steroids or not you still have to hit the ball. But anyway - back to the topic.

Why does the racial makeup of the respondents in this poll matter?

What is it about the left and their cohorts in the media - the most vocal proponents of ending racism - that makes them inject race into every situation?

Does it help end racism to insinuate that whites are racist at every opportunity, or does it exacerbate the problem?

Lastly, which group appears more racially motivated, the 1/3 of whites that support him breaking the record, or the 55 percent of minorities - up from 34 percent in October - that support him?

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Old Jul 17, 2007, 08:43 AM   #2  
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Race an issue in Bonds Poll was the headline in my paper ... but I think mine is more accurate.



For the record, I have no problem with Bonds breaking the record - but I also think Pete Rose (as crazy as he is now) should be in the hall of fame. If Bonds or any other player used steroids and MLB didn't crack down on him then shame on them for their pathetic steroid policy. And, steroids or not you still have to hit the ball. But anyway - back to the topic.

Why does the racial makeup of the respondents in this poll matter?

What is it about the left and their cohorts in the media - the most vocal proponents of ending racism - that makes them inject race into every situation?

Does it help end racism to insinuate that whites are racist at every opportunity, or does it exacerbate the problem?

Lastly, which group appears more racially motivated, the 1/3 of whites that support him breaking the record, or the 55 percent of minorities - up from 34 percent in October - that support him?
I think using race is a disgrace.

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Old Jul 17, 2007, 08:55 AM   #3  
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Don't know what others motives are for their opinion ...mine is the record is tainted due to steroid use but so is Mark McGuire's single season record. Race is not the issue .

The issue with Bonds is that he has always been a surely caustic personality and not a very good ambassador for the game. It was his choice to not exploit his celebrity to the max.His agent should've knocked him in the head and argued that for marketing reasons alone he should (as they said in Jerry McGuire )do the dance He should not complain when the public is cool to his accomplishments . He made his choice a long time ago.

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speechlesstx agrees: Very well said. I would wager that most whites that are unsupportive of Bonds' quest feel the same.
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I look forward to the day when someone like Ken Griffey Jr. or Alex Rodriguez surpasses the record Bonds will break.
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I don't believe that this is an issue of race at all.

When Hank Aaron broke Ruth's record, there were lots of people against him hoping that he would fail. There were also those who were against Roger Maris for breaking Ruth's single-season HR record. There will always be hardcore fans of the current record holder who will be against anybody who tries to break that record, especially if that current record-holder is also a legend. That's not an issue of race. It's just human nature.

I have a feeling that the reason that most people who are against Bonds are against him is because of the steroid allegations. Whether MLB should have been stricter or not is really irrelevant. Too many people see that as "cheating" and therefore hope that this particular "cheater" doesn't prosper.

I'm not particularly a Bonds fan. But if the guy can break Aaron's record, more power to him. Records are made to be broken. And I have a feeling that nobody would celerate Bonds breaking Aaron's record more than Aaron. That record has lasted for 31 years. Aaron is a legend in his own right, and nothing Bonds does is going to change that, any more than Aaron breaking Ruth's record made Ruth any less of a legend.

So, I don't see this as an issue of race, and I don't know why it has to become a race issue. If people aren't for Bonds breaking the record, it's because they like Aaron over Bonds, not because they hate blacks.

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I look forward to the day when someone like Ken Griffey Jr. or Alex Rodriguez surpasses the record Bonds will break.

Absolutely, I'll be glad when the Bonds thing is done so maybe we can talk about someone besides him. Of course, ol' A-Rod might want to be a little more discrete when out on the town
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And I have a feeling that nobody would celerate Bonds breaking Aaron's record more than Aaron.

It is reported that Aaron will not attend the game and that he is very hopefull that it doesn't happen in Milwaukee or Atlanta. I don't think he has given a reason for this but it doesn't seem to be anything against Bonds .

Aaron does not get the credit he deserves . Besides the homerun record he was as good a player as any who has played the game. (except Ruth who was also a hall of fame caliber pitcher )

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ol' A-Rod might want to be a little more discrete when out on the town
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and his wife should reconsider her fashion statements .

FOXNews.com - Yankees Star Alex Rodriguez' Wife Wears Obscene T-Shirt to Game - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment
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It is reported that Aaron will not attend the game and that he is very hopefull that it doesn't happen in Milwaukee or Atlanta. I don't think he has given a reason for this but it doesn't seem to be anything against Bonds .

Aaron does not get the credit he deserves . Besides the homerun record he was as good a player as any who has played the game. (except Ruth who was also a hall of fame caliber pitcher )

I think Hank is just trying to stay out of it. I agree he should get more credit for his other baseball skills, but the only thing you hear about is 755 home runs.

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I'd forgotten about that ... I just still wonder if the message was intended for her husband.
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Race an issue in Bonds Poll was the headline in my paper ... but I think mine is more accurate.



For the record, I have no problem with Bonds breaking the record - but I also think Pete Rose (as crazy as he is now) should be in the hall of fame. If Bonds or any other player used steroids and MLB didn't crack down on him then shame on them for their pathetic steroid policy. And, steroids or not you still have to hit the ball. But anyway - back to the topic.

Why does the racial makeup of the respondents in this poll matter?

What is it about the left and their cohorts in the media - the most vocal proponents of ending racism - that makes them inject race into every situation?

Does it help end racism to insinuate that whites are racist at every opportunity, or does it exacerbate the problem?

Lastly, which group appears more racially motivated, the 1/3 of whites that support him breaking the record, or the 55 percent of minorities - up from 34 percent in October - that support him?
Yes, racism is alive and well, thanks to the Left. There are plenty of examples… Harry Belafonte' calling Colon Powell an Uncle Tom, the Aunt Jemima thing about Condi Rice. You baseball fans must remember, “Dusty the dangerous racist.”

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ETWolverine agrees: It's Colin, not Colon. The colon is the part of your anatomy where the feces lives. Dems like to make fun of Powel with that one. So do a few Reps. Heck, I've used that one a time or two. But I have a feeling you weren't trying to be insulting.
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Dusty Baker's Racist Remarks

or more recently Gary Sheffields off the wall comments about Joe Torre.
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