Lets get the ball rolling!

N0help4u · Oct 25, 2007, 09:23 AM

Or should I say lets get screamin' & jumpin' !?
I just remembered who I wanted to vote for a few years back and it is PERFECT for the Democrat party!

HOWARD DEAN for PRES!
TOM CRUISE for Vice Pres!

YA'LL with me on this!!!!!!!!!!?

Ash123 · Oct 30, 2007, 11:11 AM

To keep this civil I am not going to get into a link versus link battle for days :-)
Here's some info to start.

I welcome dialogue but I trust you don't consider other viewpoints a personal affont. I am just sharing info - and it may help you/us understand what we are doing here.
I want this to be over - and won, but I don't want propaganda to drown out dissent an reality for all those invloved at home and overseas.

September (A month later than your first article) - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/wo...hp&oref=slogin

September - Talking Points Memo | Insurgency? What Insurgency?

October 28: Bloomberg online
Basra fight pointless, says British commander

One of the most senior British commanders in Iraq has claimed that there is no point in fighting on in Basra, likening British troops in the city to “Robocop” and admitting that innocent people were hurt as a result of their actions. The officer, who spoke to The Sunday Telegraph on condition of anonymity, said commanders had concluded that a military solution was no longer viable.

“We are tired of firing at people,” he said. “We would prefer to find a political accommodation.”

And a shiite news item - NPR : In Iraq, October Death Toll Hits 101 for U.S. Forces
lest we forget that as we grab the tail, the head still can bite.

Ash123 · Oct 30, 2007, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gallivant_fellow

If you guys want to hear something weird, Ralph Nader was giving a speech to the public in a city near mine 1 year before the 9/11 attacks and he was saying that if we vote for Bush, there will be a major war in Iraq. He was also preaching that we need steel reinforced cockpit doors on our airplanes. Everyone there thought he was nuts, but now, not so much.

Definitely G. It was in the works long before the election. But it sounds unpatriotic and conspiratorial to trace the seeds of fact and rebellion (even though our forefathers thrived on it to make us a country) among those wrapped in the flag and praying we give a green light to all things that make us "safer" in our military experiments an Empire....which as history shows, is the last thing you want to do without many allies - and how we outlive our own bad habits.

I'm all for spreading good and information and freedom, but let's call a spade a spade. We are not as good at it as we think we are...But I hope we, and the rest of the globe - get better....GOP and DEM's and Independents and.....whomever

I WANT VICTORY AND PEACE IN ALL WARS THE US FIGHTS IN. BUT FIGHT THEM HONEST AND FIGHT THEM RIGHT.

Dark_crow · Oct 30, 2007, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash123

One of the most senior British commanders in Iraq has claimed that there is no point in fighting on in Basra, likening British troops in the city to “Robocop” and admitting that innocent people were hurt as a result of their actions. The officer, who spoke to The Sunday Telegraph on condition of anonymity, said commanders had concluded that a military solution was no longer viable.

“We are tired of firing at people,” he said. “We would prefer to find a political accommodation.”

And a shiite news item - NPR : In Iraq, October Death Toll Hits 101 for U.S. Forces
lest we forget that as we grab the tail, the head still can bite.

Well now, if his anonymity is a reflection of his bravery it is no wonder the Brits failed the citizens of Basra; cowards for leaders usually fail.



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