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Feb 17, 2008, 03:51 PM
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Just finished reading the Book by Richard Clarke… Clarke helped shape U.S. policy on terrorism under President Reagan and the first President Bush. He was held over by President Clinton to be his terrorism czar, and then held over again by the current President Bush who dismantled the organization that had taken 25 years to build. Why…
Clarke was the president's chief adviser on terrorism, yet it wasn't until Sept. 11 that he ever got to brief Mr. Bush on the subject. Clarke says that prior to Sept. 11, the administration didn't take the threat seriously.
"We had a terrorist organization that was going after us! Al Qaeda. That should have been the first item on the agenda. And it was pushed back and back and back for months.
Clarke relates, "I began saying, 'We have to deal with bin Laden; we have to deal with al Qaeda.' Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, said, 'No, no, no. We don't have to deal with al Qaeda. Why are we talking about that little guy? We have to talk about Iraqi terrorism against the United States.'
"And I said, 'Paul, there hasn't been any Iraqi terrorism against the United States in eight years!' And I turned to the deputy director of the CIA and said, 'Isn't that right?' And he said, 'Yeah, that's right. There is no Iraqi terrorism against the United States."
To this day I don’t know why Bush refused to hear about, must less believe, that Al Qaeda was a threat…can anyone tell me? Clarke's Take On Terror, What Bush's Ex-Adviser Says About Efforts to Stop War On Terror - CBS News | | | | | | |
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Feb 17, 2008, 04:50 PM
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| You believe this guy, Richard Clarke????
"After Clarke appeared before the 911 Commission, his detractors attacked his credibility, suggesting that he was too partisan a figure, and charging that he exaggerated perceived failures in the Bush Administration' counter terrorism policies while exculpating the former Clinton administration from its perceived shortcomings.[10] According to news agency Knight-Ridder, the White House tried to discredit Clarke in a move described as "shooting the messenger."[11] New York Times columnist Paul Krugman was more blunt, calling the attacks on Clarke "a campaign of character assassination."[12] However, the FBI denied they had a role in approving the flight for bin Laden's family as alleged by Clarke when FBI spokesman John Iannarelli said: "I can say unequivocally that the FBI had no role in facilitating these flights." http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/in...m?id=971322003
Clarke has also exchanged criticism with Michael Scheuer, former chief of the bin Laden Unit at the Counterterrorist Center at the CIA. When asked to respond to Clarke's claim that Scheuer was "a hothead, a middle manager who really didn't go to any of the cabinet meetings," Scheuer returned the criticism as follows: "I certainly agree with the fact that I didn't go to the cabinet meetings. But I'm certainly also aware that I'm much better informed than Mr. Clarke ever was about the nature of the intelligence that was available against Osama bin Laden and which was consistently denigrated by himself and Mr. Tenet."[13] Matthew Continetti writes: "Scheuer believes that Clarke’s risk aversion and politicking negatively impacted the hunt for Bin Laden prior to September 11, 2001. Scheuer stated that his unit, codename 'Alec,' had provided information that could have led to the capture and or killing of Osama bin Laden on ten different occasions, only to have his recommendations for action turned down by senior intelligence officials, including Clarke."[14] Richard A. Clarke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Looks to me like he totes a lot of excess baggage. |
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Feb 17, 2008, 05:07 PM
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| More from Richard Clarke, in an interview with various reporters present:
QUESTIONS: Had those issues evolved at all from October of '98 'til December of 2000?
CLARKE: Had they evolved? Um, not appreciably.
ANGLE: What was the problem? Why was it so difficult for the Clinton administration to make decisions on those issues?
CLARKE: Because they were tough issues. You know, take, for example, aiding the Northern Alliance. Um, people in the Northern Alliance had a, sort of bad track record. There were questions about the government, there were questions about drug-running, there was questions about whether or not in fact they would use the additional aid to go after Al Qaeda or not. Uh, and how would you stage a major new push in Uzbekistan or somebody else or Pakistan to cooperate?
One of the big problems was that Pakistan at the time was aiding the other side, was aiding the Taliban. And so, this would put, if we started aiding the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, this would have put us directly in opposition to the Pakistani government. These are not easy decisions.
ANGLE: And none of that really changed until we were attacked and then it was ...
CLARKE: No, that's not true. In the spring, the Bush administration changed — began to change Pakistani policy, um, by a dialogue that said we would be willing to lift sanctions. So we began to offer carrots, which made it possible for the Pakistanis, I think, to begin to realize that they could go down another path, which was to join us and to break away from the Taliban. So that's really how it started. FOXNews.com - Transcript: Clarke Praises Bush Team in '02 - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum
It is reasonable to conclude that the Clinton Administration was doing absolutely nothing to effect change in its policy with Al Quaeda, and that change was beginning in the Spring of Bush's first year in office. Maybe this is why the order to attach the Twin Towers was given, before it was discovered by the new administration, Bush/Cheney. |
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Feb 17, 2008, 09:18 PM
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Feb 18, 2008, 03:24 AM
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| Hello DC:
Well, there ya go. It was ok for George Bush to do NOTHING because Clinton didn't do anything either. Bwa, ha ha ha ha
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Feb 18, 2008, 04:54 AM
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| I see Clarke's account as a big CYA. He had a big bug in his butt because President Bush [at the recomendation of Connecticut Congressman Christopher Shays;Chairman of the House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations, Committee on Government Reform.] stripped Clarke of a cabinet level position because of his incompetence.Bush's mistake was that he did not immediately fire Clarke .
In the summer of 2000, the last year of the Clinton presidency, Shays’ committee had requested a classified briefing from Clarke “on government wide efforts to detect, deter, prevent, and respond to terrorist acts.”
Clarke responded with an oddly incoherent briefing and slide show. Shays was not at all pleased. In a brusquely worded letter to Clarke, he described the presentation as “less than useful.”
When Shays’ committee asked Clarke if his office had prepared an “integrated threat assessment,” he responded that this would have been “difficult to accomplish because of all the different threats faced by the United States.”
When committee members asked if Clarke had prepared a “comprehensive strategy to combat terrorism,” the notoriously patronizing Clarke blew them off.
It was “silly” to believe such a strategy could be developed, said Clarke, “belittling” the committee for daring to pose the question.
“If there are no clear requirements or plan,” Shays asked in obvious disgust, “how does the administration prioritize the $12.9 billion it intends to spend” on counter-terrorism and related activities?
Shays never received a satisfactory answer. So troubled was he by Clarke’s non-performance that on January 22, 2001, the first work day after the inauguration, he sent an impassioned three-page letter to the new National Security Adviser, Condoleeza Rice.
In the letter, Shays alerted Rice to Clarke’s “lack of leadership” in the war on terror and his refusal to recognize even the “need for a national strategy.”
To be sure, the Richard Clarke that Shays and his committee had experienced was not at all the one America would meet on 60 Minutes.
The self-rehabilitated Clarke would tell Stahl that on January 24, 2001--two days after Shays had sent his letter to Rice--he had sent an urgent memo to Rice, requesting “a cabinet level meeting to deal with the impending al Qaeda attack.”
If Rice ignored him, there is now reason to understand why. Given the feedback from Shays and his colleagues, she had reason not to trust Clarke’s judgment. Congressman Christopher Shays
Also Clarke's tune changed after the attack on 9-11 . Prior to that he had praised Bush for his instructions “to stop swatting at flies and just solve the problem.” Clearly his saying that Bush did nothing before 9-11 was a lie. |
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Feb 18, 2008, 05:01 AM
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| It is scary to think that if Obama gets in that Clarke is one of his top national security advisers . |
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Feb 18, 2008, 05:11 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by tomder55 Clearly his saying that Bush did nothing before 9-11 was a lie. | Hello again, tom:
I love your spin.
Whatever he did, it wasn't enough. We were attacked. People died. He was asleep at the switch. That he tried and was unsuccessful is little consolation.
It's like you spin the surge.... That it may be working now, is little consolation. It does not wipe out the years of incompetence during which over 3,000 brave Americans died.
THAT'S what's germane.
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Feb 18, 2008, 05:35 AM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by excon Hello again, tom:
I love your spin.
Whatever he did, it wasn't enough. We were attacked. People died. He was asleep at the switch. That he tried and was unsuccessful is little consolation.
It's like you spin the surge.... That it may be working now, is little consolation. It does not wipe out the years of incompetence during which over 3,000 brave Americans died.
THAT'S what's germane.
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Just going to 'borrow' a line from tom's source: "Iraq is also a democratic nation. The local citizens turned out in 2005 to elect their government with 80 percent voter turnout."
These folks are more enthusiastic than Obama fans. Speaking of Obama, I wonder how the mainstream Iraqi views the election in the U.S.? Would they favor Obama or Hillary?
The larger point in the article is that over 3,000 have not died in vain, at least not yet. It is difficult to believe that a major political party so readily accepts thuggery and dictatorship. That used to be one of the Democrats biggest gripes with the GOP, so Bush decides to spread the democracy around and Democrats go crazy. |
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