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Old Oct 10, 2006, 09:52 AM
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Iraq, N Korea, Iran

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We are in Iraq, Iran will possibly have nuclear weapons within the next two years, and it is possible N Korea could be fairly close if not already there. We are distracted in Iraq, so what do we do?

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CUT AND RUN OR BUSH'S POLICY ON IRAQ OR WHETHER OR NOT IT IS AN ILLEGAL WAR! Instead I want to hear what you think about what can be done with the current situation we HAVE to live with.

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Old Oct 16, 2006, 03:58 PM   #21  
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Why world Leaders worry about N. Korea, Iraq, Iran having nuclear weapons?
Very simple , Those countries dose not have code of governing ethics. Single hand Controls of laws and commanding the country under dictatorship ,Leader of the country is above the law, no sense of security on other countries stability, Also No sense of value on Human life . For them destroying their So called enemy is destroying the people of the country. So do you think Nuclear weapons is suitable for them.

Today we all know N.Korea has 500% human rights violation and unbelievably number of people on hunger and extreme poverty. Most number of food and other essential products is import from Japan. They are in lack of Health facilities, children are dying with out food, basic medicine so on.

Sanction is not the answer. N.Korea knew if they test it they will face this. But the Leader of the nation did it.

He is happy , he is in lime light. Do you think? People of N. Korea want it. Unless they are asked to perform patriot action on behalf their leader.

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Old Oct 20, 2006, 08:54 PM   #22  
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Some of the USA's problems stem from its self appointed role as police of the world.
Once that role is assumed then world events must be responded to accordingly or else face is lost. Countries, such as England, and France can conveniently sit back and ignore certain events because they haven't tagged themselves as law enforcers and so no face is lost if they simply decide to look the other way. China, for example, and Russia, don't seem to react to world events with the same vehemence as our government does.

Perhaps this is because they leave that to the USA whom they know will jump right in if ever anyone as much as twitches a muscle without its consent.

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Old Oct 23, 2006, 07:22 AM   #23  
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England takes a stance as does Canada as well. We support US efforts in Afganistan and if our military was as mighty as the US, the news would focus in on our efforts as well.

Proof is the attempted terrorist attact on Englands international flights that was founded and spoiled by England's anti-terrorist division. If we want a society of democracy, everyone has to contribute and there has to be a leader. Just because US is the leader doesn't make them self-proclaimed.

We should be thankful that someone has stepped forward to take the stick before we crash!!
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I can't help wonder what a difference it could have made if diplomacy had been used instead of armies.
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England takes a stance as does Canada as well. We support US efforts in Afganistan and if our military was as mighty as the US, the news would focus in on our efforts as well.

Proof is the attempted terrorist attact on Englands international flights that was founded and spoiled by England's anti-terrorist division. If we want a society of democracy, everyone has to contribute and there has to be a leader. Just because US is the leader doesn't make them self-proclaimed.

We should be thankful that someone has stepped forward to take the stick before we crash!!

That doasn't negate the fact that the USA is the prime one expected to react decisively
which takes the ultimate pressure off all other countries which could easily bow out if things get too hot. In fact, the USA even went above the advice of the United Nations and took the lead during the weapons of mass destruction issue. True, Canada and England and other countries follow its lead-but they can bow out easily if they choose and will not lose the amount of face that the USA will if it bows out after having gone through extensive posturing.

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I'm not taking sides in foreign policy issues one way or the other but merely responding to the question asked with whast I perceive to be a contributing factor to the present situation in which the USA finds itself. Nothing more.
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England takes a stance as does Canada as well. We support US efforts in Afganistan and if our military was as mighty as the US, the news would focus in on our efforts as well.

Proof is the attempted terrorist attact on Englands international flights that was founded and spoiled by England's anti-terrorist division. If we want a society of democracy, everyone has to contribute and there has to be a leader. Just because US is the leader doesn't make them self-proclaimed.

We should be thankful that someone has stepped forward to take the stick before we crash!!

Yes, but, unlike our current president, your Mounties "always get their man."
Anyone heard from bin Laden lately? How about it? Dudley Do-Right in 2008. Any votes?
It's got to be better than "Spudley Do-Wrong."
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About bin laden, it's quite hard to find a dead man!! Look at Jimmy Hoffa, and he's somewhere in your own back yard!!

As for 'the mounties always get their man'; well, where would their man go? I mean, the US has the death penalty, Russia and China just cut off your limbs and North Korea just shoot you on the spot- no questions.

In Canada, when your in jail you get time off to vote, widescreen TV in every cell with pay-per-view and a wage! The hardest decision for released criminals is whether to stick with Canada's lucrative social service or return to another loafer jail sentence!!

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About bin laden, it's quite hard to find a dead man!! Look at Jimmy Hoffa, and he's somewhere in your own back yard!!

As for 'the mounties always get their man'; well, where would their man go? I mean, the US has the death penalty, Russia and China just cut off your limbs and North Korea just shoot you on the spot- no questions.

In Canada, when your in jail you get time off to vote, widescreen TV in every cell with pay-per-view and a wage! The hardest decision for released criminals is whether to stick with Canada's lucrative social service or return to another loafer jail sentence!!

Are you serious about the cutting off of limbs as punishment in China and Russia?
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I can't help wonder what a difference it could have made if diplomacy had been used instead of armies.

Nations are like people. Some people respond to courtesy positivelely and others
don't. Hitler for example viewed diplomacy as a weakness. Nevertheless, diplomacy is the preferable course of action in personal and international relations. It is truly a pity that mankind, the only creature able to reason on this planet is the very creature who threatens the existence of all life on earth due to its inability to settle things peacefully. In my opinion only divine intervention can ultimately bring peace to this earth. In the meantime nations will keep trying their best. But as history proves and as the present situation shows their best falls very far short. In fact, their best seems to be getting us deeper and deeper into trouble. It's like the animal that struggles to get out of the tar pit and only hastens his end by doing so..
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I lost an Uncle in the Korean War...he died of a lost of blood...Lost a brother in the Vietnam conflict and a few uncles( some still have the ring of ears they were asked to collect) and cousin came home with mental illnesses and the government has shown little attention to the issues...a brother in law in the gulf war and cousins I had yet to meet are now crisis in the middle east...most important for everyone to remember who dead and give up their mental state...for the right to strive for perfection...

Canada participated in *South African - Boer War 1899-1902;World War1 1914-1919;World War 2 1939-1949;Korean War (Conflict) 1950-1953“Canada's role in the First World War and her 60,000 dead had earned her the right to” place any delegation at the peace table...so why are we not hearing something from Canada ...it is true what is best for the United States is best for its bordered nations...if someone sends a dirty bomb this direction Canada and Mexico will feel it...?
*http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmil/siberia/siberia5.htm

We should have we learned something from these wars...the enemy must be made clear...in this conflict... the enemy sometimes feels like ourselves...

I do feel that the west has placed method of poverty as a way of controlling a population... keeping them passive to the controlling authority issues which are: hating anything communist or socialist even through we have taken some of these ideas and melt them into our society (social security and kindergarten)...skin coloring and hair texture...

poverty was created by the imperialist stand of the west...poverty creates despair and hopelessness... and it also creates a servitude bond to who ever offers a way out of the condition...of poverty...you have people willing to die instead of being bonded to servitude ...

For example, within the minorities in the U.S....very few people in the world community respect American minorities due to the fact that the ruling body has so disgraced and demeaned them.
Israel needs to keep none Zionist employed and Iraq’s need to keep certain Muslims or Moslem groups suppressed ...for what? ...for all nations wants a suppressive minority group like America...after all it is a fashionable statement...every one wants a big dog...

if a nation desires to be ruled under the authority of the west they will have to stand behind or underfoot of the west’s authority.
And if the west wants to give a relief...it is marked by the bill of rights. voters rights for minorities in America (in under a time table and must be brought back to the table to be reexamined so many decades
...if you are of...Euro heritage no such legislation exist...that gives time tables and reexamination...of a Euro right...

If there is to be peace there must be a cleaning up of one’s own neighborhood. Then the United States will sing we have overcome...we have over came it’s years/century of bondage and needing of this servitude attitude ... righteous movement...until that comes this bronze statue with a clay base...will all ways be recognize as such and treated as such...

Building a nation on hate (which is representative of clay)... there will be no peace...and no peace will exist in the middle east as long as they have an understanding that no nation with a weak leader...mark... an apology is necessary to give to world for the missed - guided action of our ancestors...

...the problem is false teachers of the faith on both sides... these people do not care whom they hurt

...the U.S. has it evangelical right also...starting with the religious leaders telling the population the world needs to be under the direction of Euro America and if no one sees it that way they need to die...prove wrong

...religion plays a role in humanity destruction...what is at the end of revelation and what are we to do with the religionist text once the prophecy had been fulfilled...throw them into the lake of fire...if a nation is ready to throw all religionist text into a lake of fire then we will see the beginning of heaven on earth...

just an opinion...
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