Iraq, N Korea, Iran

CaptainForest · Oct 12, 2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SSchultz0956

In all seriousness, do they not teach about the korean war in Canada?

For the most part, no they do not. It is a quick footnote, but we do not spend much time learning about it at all.

We spent more time learning about the assassination of your President Kennedy than the Korean war.

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Originally Posted by SSchultz0956

Why don't you come to the US before you socialists in Canada start assuming you know what we are about. (Socialist Canadians like you, not referring the the population as a whole)

Yes, because we are all a bunch of socialist commies.

Just because Canadians have different views than Americans, is no reason to put us down.

You don’t here us calling you a fat, arrogant, lazy, opportunistic, selfish, greedy, unethical American, now do you?

tre_cani · Oct 12, 2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainForest

For the most part, no they do not. It is a quick footnote, but we do not spend much time learning about it at all.

We spent more time learning about the assassination of your President Kennedy than the Korean war.

That's ok, we didn't learn much about your country's government either...and I grew up in Detroit (a stone's throw from Windsor, Ontario).

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Originally Posted by CaptainForest

You don't here us calling you a fat, arrogant, lazy, opportunistic, selfish, greedy, unethical American, now do you?

I think we just did. How is it that being a called a Socialist (aren't you?) warrants such name-calling?

CaptainForest · Oct 13, 2006, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tre_cani

I think we just did. How is it that being a called a Socialist (aren't you?) warrants such name-calling?

Wow.

Obviouslly you aren't familiar with sarcaism.

I have nothing against most Americans. A huge portion of my family are American and live there.

Just sometimes, certain people get on my nerves. I don't judge an entire country by the actions of a few.

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Originally Posted by tre_cani

That's ok, we didn't learn much about your country's government either...and I grew up in Detroit (a stone's throw from Windsor, Ontario).

You are right there.

I was once in Florida on vacation when I was asked, "Where do you come from". I replied Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Then, they seriously asked me if I lived in an igloo.

Sometimes ignorance is sad, and with some people, it does exist.

Most of the time I try to stay out of voicing my opinions on US domestic issues, not always, sometimes.

But seeing the education system and other things in the US, I'm glad to be living in Canada. (some US states scare me, others are not at all bad)

bhayne · Oct 13, 2006, 06:44 AM

The main reason that I believe Canadians take a 'let's sit back and watch approach', is because Canadians have nothing to worrry about. I mean, attacking Canada is worse than attacking 30 Afganistans.

Not only would a hostile force have to spread so thin to cover our vast wilderness, they would have to contend with scorching hot summer days followed by freezing cold winter night. Just the thought of having to deal with our Indian population would turn the average person off!

Meanwhile, our neighbor is a prize. Nice hot and easy environment. Well populated.

If you take Canada, you probably won't last a year (unless your from Siberia). If you take US, you've upset the world's balance of power! Also in US, you don't have to rebuild your igloo each year!

But not all Canadians are narrow minded and think only for themselves. Personally, I take the 'get them before they get you' approach. Even if the 'you' is US, not Canada!

I guess you might say that I'm a team player.

tre_cani · Oct 13, 2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainForest

Obviouslly you aren't familiar with sarcaism.

No, but I am familiar with sarcasm, which I hoped was evident in my response to your comments. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It must be that US educational system.

talaniman · Oct 13, 2006, 09:43 AM

Make it simple, Korea is the puppet of China and Iran is a terrorist state. Both of these countries exploit and keep there people in ignorance and poverty so they can be manipulated for the goals of the ruling classes. What can be done? You don't want my answer.

Morganite · Oct 13, 2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SSchultz0956

Ok.

We are in Iraq, Iran will possibly have nuclear weapons within the next two years, and it is possible N Korea could be fairly close if not already there. We are distracted in Iraq, so what do we do?

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT CUT AND RUN OR BUSH'S POLICY ON IRAQ OR WHETHER OR NOT IT IS AN ILLEGAL WAR! Instead I want to hear what you think about what can be done with the current situation we HAVE to live with.

The best way to get on with other nations, especially if gunnboat diplomacy and "bomb them into submission" policy has failed, is to make friend with them.

Above all, be consistent. Don't just pick on the little easy to beat guys and nations, if you bomb Iraq because it is run by a tyrant who threatens the west, then you have to do the same to China. When white man speaks with forked tongue is made as plain as it has been with this WH, then it is time for a change.

Diplomacy is not the art of browbeating, but the art of understanding those who are different, and it does not involve thinking that your way is the only way, or that your ideas are the only good ones. No one likes a bully, and any foreign pooicy as clearly founded on brutishness as this WH's is needs removal and impeachment fior the danger and cost of lives it has brought into the world by its inane bumbling. Sure, NK is a threat, but why is it? Because it was named as part of the AXIS OF EVIL by the leader of another ocuntry who sought to marshall support for his ghastly actions and policies in the ME.

Although it is not considered red-blooded, it is manful to take the heat for one's own mistakes, and to calm the troubled waters of the world, instead of throwing around ultimata like a sailor on leave throws his cash aorund.

The USA needs statemanship, but its only got politicking.

My 2c

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phillysteakandcheese · Oct 14, 2006, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by talaniman

...Korea is the puppet of China...

While that is mostly true, the now confirmed nuclear test that DPRK carried out (without China's approval) now causes a real problem in the region.

The DPRK has some very serious problems to deal with, but above all else they want regime survival. I don't think Kim Jong Il is crazy, I think he's pretty savvy in stirring up a hornets nest of trouble that gives him a card to play in trading appeasement for the survival of his government.

31pumpkin · Oct 16, 2006, 08:46 AM

Well, as a last resort the U.S. Can always nuclearize(build up) small nuclear weapons to South Korea & Japan.

The news is fresh every day & today it looks like the sanctions are promising towards the North K. It's just a shame that Kim Jong Il would have his people starve because of his defiance.

Meanwhile Pres. Of Iran still crying "hegemony!" regarding the U.S.'s influence in the you.N.
I think the leaders have to deal with the priorities of each day accordingly.

The N. Korea problem looks very promising to me. Iran looks "iffy" but not chaotic. Patience- I hope they both can be worked out diplomatically of course.

talaniman · Oct 16, 2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by phillysteakandcheese

While that is mostly true, the now confirmed nuclear test that DPRK carried out (without China's approval) now causes a real problem in the region.

The DPRK has some very serious problems to deal with, but above all else they want regime survival. I don't think Kim Jong Il is crazy, I think he's pretty savvy in stirring up a hornets nest of trouble that gives him a card to play in trading appeasement for the survival of his government.

No way I buy China has no influence on N.Korea since they send a lot of food and fuel to them. Publicly China may disapprove but behind the scenes is another matter in my opinion. They bear watching. As for Iran I have no doubt that they have a hidden partner or to giving them support as well. Both of these small countries is seeking something with embarrassing us (US) as a tool to draw us into some kind of bad position. Hopefully the diplomats can resolve this ( IF Bush lets them) otherwise a lot of people will be in a lot of trouble.

Iraq, N Korea, Iran

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