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Old Jul 2, 2008, 11:56 AM
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Immigration - USA or CANADA

Does anyone know, or have a good idea of what the USA will gain from giving amnesty to illegals and opening the door to major future immigration from Mexico? There definitely has to be more than just 'cheaper labor to help the farmers'. I'm wondering if there are some negotiations that might relate to the drugs that come through our borders from both Mexico and South America. Or if amnesty somehow figures into the $3.5 billion credit line being negotiated by the US to help Mexico clean up it's $104 billion debt.

Since the USA population is now in excess of 304 million people and Canada has a mere 33+ million people, why aren't the immigrants being directed there where so much unpopulated land is standing?

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Check out this article stating that the way things are looking right now, and by 2050 our population will have soared to 438 million, creating complete havoc.

U.S. Population Grows Due to Immigration as Infrastructure Weakens
"This does not even address the profound national issues of "borders, language and culture" that will be affected by new waves of mass immigration. 438 million? That number is just too many to allow any sort of society to function on half a continent, mostly near the coastlines. But one could also focus on the "depletion" of the traditional American concepts of national boundaries, or the decline of the nation's common English language and some semblance of an "American" culture based on a shared history. No, if you focus on that kind of thing, people will think that you are talking about immigration in terms of race.

So better just to focus on the fact that an increased U.S. population � from whatever source � will lead to massive shortages of food, water and energy. And the public infrastructure will simply break down. Vast swaths of the country will become unrecognizable slums filled with broken-down housing, bad transportation, and hungry and thirsty people living on the squalid edge of human survival.

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I guess Canada follows their immigration requirements whereas we do not
How to Become a Canadian Citizen

I believe they do have an ulterior motive for allowing them here.
My guess is that PART of it is so they can use it (to distinguish Americans from Mexicans) as an excuse to enforce the National ID
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I believe every word of it.

This is not just illegal immigration, it is an INVASION.

Being done very quietly, but with the same level of future demise, as if they came in with guns blazing.

I live in the middle of America, thousands of miles from any border, yet I can't read the signs at my own bank, because they are in Spanish.

Several areas of our city look like little Tijuana, with no sign that this is an American Street
what so ever. Not a single sign in English.

I even see some of the younger ones, have painted messages on the rear windows of their vehicles, in fact, I have seen this one on at least 5 different cars recently.

"WE TAKIN OVER"

And they are.
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You have an easy border to your south with some destitute people looking for a change. We have a cold barren wasteland.

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You have an easy border to your south with some destitute people looking for a change. We have a cold barren wasteland.
Don't think that will save Canada in the long run!
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Save us from what?
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hi purplewings, as an outsider I'm reluctant to comment.... although from what I can gather, there is an acute labor shortage in the US that can't be ignored.

Visa/legalization Proposals -- Entrepreneur recruits Mexicans for temporary golf course jobs
....proponents of temporary workers insist that the numbers don't lie, and they warn of a dire U.S. labor shortage that they say threatens America's economic prosperity and its way of life. By 2010, according to the Census Bureau, baby boomers are expected to be retiring at a rate of 1.5 million per year. And according to the U.S. Labor Statistics Bureau, as many as 167 million jobs are expected to be available with only 158 million workers on hand.

apologies for the dated (2002) article. If these figures are way out of date and there's something more current, let me know.
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hi purplewings, as an outsider I'm reluctant to comment.... although from what I can gather, there is an acute labor shortage in the US that can't be ignored.

Visa/legalization Proposals -- Entrepreneur recruits Mexicans for temporary golf course jobs
....proponents of temporary workers insist that the numbers don't lie, and they warn of a dire U.S. labor shortage that they say threatens America's economic prosperity and its way of life. By 2010, according to the Census Bureau, baby boomers are expected to be retiring at a rate of 1.5 million per year. And according to the U.S. Labor Statistics Bureau, as many as 167 million jobs are expected to be available with only 158 million workers on hand.

apologies for the dated (2002) article. If these figures are way out of date and there's something more current, let me know.
In my state at this time, we are cutting back on government, have ended state medical assistance and closed many schools because we are almost bankrupt due to the auto factories closing or moving out of the country. Our unemployment is 8.5%. These people would all be available for temporary jobs that paid enough to make it worth the trip to get there

That's the trick. These people hiring immigrants are paying them a wage that is unliveable. Once the immigrants become legal, they will want jobs that pay a living wage too. They accept the extremely low wages because they aren't here legally. BTW, these are summer jobs, who supports the illegals in the winter?

If the state agencies functioned properly, those kind of jobs would be for able bodied citizens receiving state aid, instead of letting the public support them.

I'd also say that the rate our corporations are moving to other countries will curtail many of those 167 million jobs - but apparently it sounds like a good reason to go against the citizen's wishes.

I think our politicians have much more going on with all this immigration than they want us to know. Perhaps we need more military people? Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be to their benefit.

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Yeah they raise taxes because they want more money so then people move out of the city because they can't afford to go to work with the prices of public transportation, parking and occupation tax who can afford to work? Why do politicians think they can make more by raising the cost to work when it drives people away.
I'm not even sure how the illegal immigrants can afford it other than the ones that do construction type work.

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Yeah I'll start a new one on THAT
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