Ask Experts Questions for FREE Help !
Ask
Page 2 of 6 < 1 2 345 > Last »

Immigration Law

Asked Aug 27, 2007, 07:39 AM — 56 Answers
I had a conversation this weekend with Shai Goldstein, the Executive Director of the New Jersey Immigration Policy Network (NJIPN), a liberal immigration-policy organization in New Jersey, regarding illegal immigration. Shai and I are friends despite the fact that he's a lib and I'm, well... I'm not. I love him like a brother, and his family and mine are really close (as in 3 houses apart from each other). Our kids play together and Shai and I, and my wife and his, are really great friends. DESPITE the fact that I think he's wrong on a lot of issues.

Shai made a comment this weekend that I couldn't refute because I didn't have the details in front of me. He stated that illegal immigration is not, in and of itself, a crime. He stated that current immigration law makes illegal immigration a CIVIL violation, not a criminal one. My understanding is that the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 made illegal immigration a criminal offense, but he said that it does not. That, he claims, is the reson that illegal immigrants are "detained" rather than "incarcerated". Detention is a civil action, while incarceration is a criminal law action. Again, I disagree with that statement, but I don't have the facts to back it up.

Anyone have any opinions on his statement? Does the INA of 1965 make illegal immigration a civil or a criminal offense? Or is there some other legislation that makes illegal immigration a criminal offense.

Elliot

Search this Thread
Share |
56 Answers
excon's Avatar
excon Posts: 20,998, Reputation: 15460
Expert
  
#11

Aug 27, 2007, 10:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark_crow
a violation of the oath of office for every member of congress who does not speak against this crime- a crime against the people of the Untied States.
Hello again, DC:

Hold on, Podner. Let's not get your britches in an uproar. It's a crime....... But, not against anybody I know - certainly not ME. Most of them just want to blow your leaves. I'm not too threatened by leaf blowers.

excon
Helpful
Dark_crow's Avatar
Dark_crow Posts: 1,406, Reputation: 1011
Ultra Member
  
#12

Aug 27, 2007, 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, DC:

Hold on, Podner. Let's not get your britches in an uproar. It's a crime....... But, not against anybody I know - certainly not ME. Most of them just want to blow your leaves. I'm not too threatened by leaf blowers.

excon
Always good to hear another point of view, but ignorance and leafblowers are not relavant, Exon.

Just as ignorance of a Law provides no protection, so it is that ignorance of a crime provides no protection.

By introducing ignorance, and leaf blowing you are introducing the fallacy of denying the correlative I.e., where an attempt is made to introduce another option into a true correlative.

That is, that America has an immigration policy: a truth.

America is not requiring compliance to its immigration policy by everyone: a truth.

Therefore some government officials are not fulfilling their oath of office; hence, betrayal a the least, a crime at worst


P.S. Shai Goldstein, by the way, has committed the same fallacy by introducing the fact, if it is, that entering the US by other than through immigration policy is not a crime.
Helpful
nicespringgirl's Avatar
nicespringgirl Posts: 1,240, Reputation: 990
Ultra Member
  
#13

Aug 27, 2007, 08:23 PM
I am also intimidated by everyone's pics here.
You guys are either criminal in jail ,muscular alien,or wild animals ...
Helpful  (3)
ETWolverine's Avatar
ETWolverine Posts: 934, Reputation: 1394
Senior Member
  
#14

Aug 28, 2007, 06:25 AM
Trust me, NSG, you don't really want to see my picture. That's why I use a comic book character as my avatar. (And Wolverine is not an alien, he's a mutant.)

You, on the other hand, are very photogenic.

Elliot
Helpful  (1)
excon's Avatar
excon Posts: 20,998, Reputation: 15460
Expert
  
#15

Aug 28, 2007, 06:42 AM
Hello again, DC:

Well, if you're talking about the CRIME that congress perpetrates on US, then I agree wholeheartedly with you.

However, I can think of much BIGGER crimes they're committing than just letting a few leaf blowers sneak in.

excon
Helpful  (1)
CaptainRich's Avatar
CaptainRich Posts: 6,078, Reputation: 2749
Cars & Trucks Expert
  
#16

Aug 28, 2007, 07:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicespringgirl
Okay, my concern is about "ID Theft".
Millions of undocumented workers are someone else's documents. To get a job, illegal immigrants need a Social Security number, and they often "borrow" one.
Thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Americans are right now sharing their identities with immigrants and don't know it.
Original ID holder can be denied unemployment because records showed he or she had a job. That is not a victmless crime. It is a crime!
Identity theft can have an effect on more than just the individual. Employers can be sited and forced to explain why they employ individuals misconstrued as illegals: If a person that has stolen another's identity commits a crime, and that "identity" shows that the real person works at that company, valuable time and resouces can be tied up defending a ruse. More qualified and trained immigration examiners are desperately needed.
Helpful
nicespringgirl's Avatar
nicespringgirl Posts: 1,240, Reputation: 990
Ultra Member
  
#17

Aug 28, 2007, 07:45 AM
Another thing is that illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. 1/3 of the US prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, over 1/3 of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.
Helpful  (1)
CaptainRich's Avatar
CaptainRich Posts: 6,078, Reputation: 2749
Cars & Trucks Expert
  
#18

Aug 28, 2007, 07:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicespringgirl
Another thing is that illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. 1/3 of the US prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, over 1/3 of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.
Very astute observation.

Even though temporary, the choice of illegal and/or criminal activity provides quick, tax-free cash without the need to apply or qualify.

Being incarcerated here must be better than life on the outside there...
Helpful
excon's Avatar
excon Posts: 20,998, Reputation: 15460
Expert
  
#19

Aug 28, 2007, 08:10 AM
Hello nice girl:

There’s the numbers, and then there’s the spin on what the numbers mean. You’re spinning.

There’s 300 million of us. 50 million of us are illegal. That’s 20%. If that’s the number of illegal’s in jail (and it is), that means they commit NO MORE crime than citizens do. Same thing with welfare.

The problem is the right wing spin machine. It’s been going on forever. Look around. If you see a problem, it’s the Mexicans fault, it’s the blacks fault, it’s the Jews fault.

They do a good job too, cause you people buy into it. Me? Nahhh. I’m no bigot. These people are no different than you and me.

excon

PS> (edited) Before I’m misunderstood, let me be clear. I don’t support illegal immigration. The problem, however, is with YOUR GOVERNMENT – NOT the leaf blowers.
Helpful  (2)
CaptainRich's Avatar
CaptainRich Posts: 6,078, Reputation: 2749
Cars & Trucks Expert
  
#20

Aug 28, 2007, 08:44 AM
[quote=excon]The problem, however, is with YOUR GOVERNMENT
Helpful
Not your question? Ask your question View similar questions
 
Page 2 of 6 < 1 2 345 > Last »
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Add your answer here.

Remove Text Formatting
 

Undo
Redo
  
Decrease Size
Increase Size
Bold
Italic
Underline
Align Left
Align Center
Align Right
Ordered List
Unordered List
Decrease Indent
Increase Indent
Insert Email Link
Wrap [QUOTE] tags around selected text
Wrap [CODE] tags around selected text
Wrap [HTML] tags around selected text
Wrap [PHP] tags around selected text
Wrap [YOUTUBE] tags around selected text
Notification Type:



Check out some similar questions!

Immigration law [ 2 Answers ]

I am a South African Citize> I was born illigitamate under the apartheid laws in 1968. My father was portuguese. I have married, but my son would be travelling to Northern Ireland for a week. I would like to knoe as my dad did not register me in Portugal can I obtain a portuguese passport for my...

Immigration law [ 1 Answers ]

What if Canada immigration found out that an immigrant submit fraud medical health documents on applying to Canada? Are there any punishments? Or his residency status will be cancel?

View more Politics questions Search