Want to solve the so called illegal Hispanic immigration problem? Crack down on those who are gladly breaking their own country's law by doing the hiring. As long as there are AMERICANS who value profit more than they value their own country's laws and continue to illegally hire people they aren't supposed to because it's illegal to do so, the situation will continue.

By the way, those doing the illegal hiring aren't threatened with starvation if they obey our cherished country's laws by not hiring illegally. They simply won't make as much of a profit as they are doing by illegal hiring. But since they are unwilling to make less while they can make much more by simply ignoring their beloved country's laws and hiring illegally they will continue to hire illegally confident that the full blame for the situation will be placed conveniently on the backs of those being illegally hired.

BTW
Weird! You don't see the self-appointed anti-immigration crusader Dobbs becoming irate against these who have a duty as Americans to abide by the country's laws but who shamelessly prefer to do business illegally for a profit.

gazelleintense

shutting the borders down would be nice too but bush won't do that for some reason. even after 9.11

Starman

Do you think that they would be trying to get accross if the American employers weren't willing able and ready to illegally hire them? Why do you seem reluctant to hold them accountable?

Fr_Chuck

This is not a "party" issue and Bush can do little about it, if congress does not want to. The simple fact is that both parties dont want to stop it, They want the illegals votes for thier party, so either party taking a side on this against them would hurt them in the elections, and with the two parites split fairly well down the middle, taking a side against would fairly well doom them in the next election.

Starman

The question is why so much ire and outright hatred toward those who come here to work because they do so illegally while we smile complacently at the supposedly fine upright citizens who illegally hire them. I see those hiring them more criminal than those being hired since they aren't really under any duress to do so but do so simply because they are materialistic hogs.

As for the perpetually complaining Dobbs, can't stomach how our government is running the USA then maybe he should seriously consider getting on a boat and going back to Ireland.

BTW

I consider indiscriminately firing rubber bullets at point blank range into a crowd which includes both children and infants criminal behavior. An activity in which even African American police officers, whom one would expect to know better in view of their history, were enthusiastically participating just recently in California.

CaptainRich

Hiring illegals is already against the law. We have to enforce the law. Why aren't employers being held accountable?!
This is a huge country and there is no way to "shut the border" That would be like trying to stop the incoming tide. Part of the problem is the illegals don't pay their way and don't try to adjust to their new host country. They'll bleed the system as users until the whole beautiful thing they came here for collapses on our fool heads. If you feel the same as I, you're gonna love this link:
Pledge Of Allegiance To The Flag Of The United States Of America
copy and paste this and turn up you speakers...

excon

Hello Star:

You don't quite understand things. It's obvious you've never been in business for yourself.

What's a small business owner to do when the help has all the necessary documents? Should he take the documents to a lab? Should he question the help BETTER? Should he have a policy of no brown skinned people?

Or, should he just put them to work?

Immigration (or illegal immigration) should be taken care of at the border, not at the workplace.

excon

excon

Hello again:

Yes, I have more to say.

Actually, illegals pay plenty. Federal income tax is withheld from their paychecks. But, being illegal, they can’t file for a refund like you can. Even though they may not owe tax, unlike you, they pay it anyway. Plus, they pay social security taxes, but they'll never collect social security. They pay unemployment taxes, but they'll never collect unemployment. No Siree, they pay plenty.

I don’t think there’s a “they”. I just think there's a guy blowing leafs across the street, or washing dishes at my local restaurant. They earn their money and send what they can to feed their families. Isn’t that what you do? What’s bleeding about that? Because they send their money out of the country? When you buy a Toyota, you’re sending your money out of the country.

I think all of you, for the most part, have been listening to entirely too much talk radio.

excon

Fr_Chuck

While I am very pro legal, again there is not a they, you can't tell legal from illegal by just looking at them. And which of us would not do what ever it took to feed our families and get ahead. The businsess person who fudges on his resume about his jobs or education, or perhpas does not list a job he was fired from, all fraud in some way to get that better job for his family.

But checking the ID is a real problem, in the US there is no national ID card, no way sure fire way to know peoplel are who they say they are.
As a police officer we got a new book every year, just on drivers license, each state has a drivers license and a official state ID card, do you know what the state two state over looks like ? In some states there is a older card and a newer card. With that then there are birth certificates, quess how many types there are over the last 50 years. And of course there are other Id's allowed on the I9 form to check idenity.
One report I read said there were over 1000 various types of approved ID's looking at all of the states varoius types.

And to be honest many are good ( and alot are not) and as a officer often we could not tell they were fake till we tried to run thier numbers though our data base. Which of course those employing these people don't have access to.

And we will pick on the leaf blower or the lawn mower, if you hire a contractor to do work at your property, you don't check citizenship, actually I don't even think you are allowed to.

And the employer can be sued by the person they are trying to hire if they ask the wrong questions about citizenship

But the only way to ever stop it, is to secure the borders, as long as the US government is not taking this serouis, it will continue

Auttajasi

I spoke with a friend that works in the banking industry about this very issue. He said that the transferring of funds to Mexico is a huge business; billions every year. This makes it difficult for politicians to make a decision about securing the borders because there are so many people benefiting from the open borders. I do agree though, that you have to fix the problem at the border.
You can kill cockroaches all day in your home, but until you find the source and stop them there, they will just keep coming. This sounds bad, but please don't interpret this as a comparison between illegal immigrants and cockroaches. Just an example.
I am very pro immigration. I don't care where they immigrate from. Immigration is the very foundation of our country. The problem I have with illegal immigration is that by not properly enforcing it, we are rewarding bad or illegal behavior. By definition, reinforcing a particular behavior makes it more likely that the behavior or a similar one will occur again.